OCT/NOV 2012 IAM Fleet Service Discussions

[robbedagain]

hazelton pa had a case a few yrs ago that didnt go anywhere

 

[freedom]

Freedom...

Your argument is so flawed it is ridiculous… according to your convoluted logic… if Illegal Immigrants could somehow “magically acquire” Airport Credentials... the Collective Bargaining Agreement would be negated, and the pay scales would go down under the status quo!

Dude… The reality is this… the GOP wants to eliminate the RLA, and make EVERY state in the Union a right to work state! If they get their way, and succeed in this endeavor … your assumption may then prove plausible… because then... and ONLY then, would we have no bargaining unit to prevent it!

Fortunately, for Fleet Service, this is not possible due to legal protections offered by the right to Union representation under the very Railway Labor Act, which the GOP wants to amend and/or abolish!

It must be lonely out in space…

My logic is convluted ?

your the one who think's it OK for illegal immigrants to sneek into our country and take our jobs ...i guess if they put in the "effort" to get here then it's cool that they can do whatever they want ...

You must have never been in the southwest not to understand how illegal immigrants take over all of the blue collar jobs .... they don't come like a giant wave .... they start as a trickle ... one day a firm hires one guy with fake papers , he turns out to be a really good really hard worker , because hey for 7.50 an hour ,that's three times what he would make if he were in his home country ... then that company hires another , and then another with fake papers , soon their only looking for illegal immigrants as workers because they know they will work extra hard and won't complain about anything ...

How long do you think we will be safe behind our paper wall here at the aiport ? Our jobs would be the most coveted of them all .... FLIGHT BENFITS ... they could return home see their familes .. Illegal immigrants don't have any concern for us ... to them we're just lazy Americans ... they would JUMP at the opptunity to take our jobs ..... our idea of a living wage is very different than THEIR idea of a living wage , and they don't give two flits as to how WE feel we should be treated ....

For how many decades have our nations jobs been outsourced to China ? 30 years now ? i'm betting you don't agree with outsourcing .... yet you agree with insourcing ?

What if the Chinese got on boats and came over to our country to take the jobs HERE , would that be OK , and what if they brought their familes for us to support ? is that OK ? How is that any different than sending the jobs overseas , the end results are the same , unemployed Americans .........

While i agree that the GOP certainly isn't Union friendly , don't mistake the democrats for being Union friendly either ...They want our votes , but in the end they will sell out the blue collar workers to illegal immigrants if that's what it takes to stay in power ..

Personally i'd rather have the GOP with it's tough anti-union mantra , than millions of newely legal (illegal) immigrants to compete against for work .... and i'm not just thinking about myself , but for my fellow citizens as well ..

i now let this issue go ...... but i'll say this , i think it's ridicilous that we even have to have this discussion as union memebers , we should all be of the same mind when it comes to blue collar competition .... the less the better ............

 

[blue collar]

Freedom-
I will say that I agree with you that all employers should use e-verify, and that what we want is less illegal immigration. Where I disagree with you is that the republicans also want illegals coming here, because it lowers the compensation that must be paid. You are insane to think that they would want to pay higher wages to Americans, look at all of the outsourcing they do. I lay a lot of the blame for this with employers who will hire illegals, and who only pay minimum wage for jobs that shouldn't be.

You truly are insane to think that your union job would be better protected with republicans, than with anyone else.

 

[ograc]

My future best interests are dependant on a functioning country .......did you know ogarc that the low end estimate for the illegal immigrant population is 11 million ...Are you aware of the costs assoicated with illegal immigration ? year after year we bring in more and more cheap labor ... Why is this ? why when so many of our people are unemployed do we keep slacking off when it is clearly time for action , time to shrink the labor pool ...

There is no greater threat than unabated illegal immigration to the blue collar worker in the US .... and the ONLY reason we baggage handlers haven't felt the horrific sting of being undercut by this cutthroat cheap labor force is because they don't have the documentation to work out on the ramp , but you can bet your (whatever you want to bet ) that if they COULD find a way to work out here , there's no way we'd be able to mantain our levels of pay and compensation ..

"IMO... niether party will make any true or meaningful progress on this issue in the future."

while i'm not sure if there will be progress on the issue , and of course by progress i mean the removal of illegal immigrants from our country , i sure as heck am not going to vote for the party that gives away my country like it's a free buffet ....

it's too bad , i thought unions were suppose to stand up for what was right , to stand up for the workers ... but our unions in this country have completely bowed down to any issues that might require even the least bit of backbone ..

Unions have been standing up for what is right for the workers in this country for decades. Unfortunately, for decades union membership has declined along with the middle class in this country. Do you think this parallel is coincidental? Labor unions have lost a lot of leverage in the political arena as a result of this decline. This is exactly where Corporate America wants the labor unions. Corporate America wants illegals in this country who are willing to work for peanuts. When the work can be done in this country Corporate America will and has shipped the manufacturing overseas for lower wages and higher profts. Has Mitt ever engaged in this activity at Baine Capital? What makes you think his agenda will change if elected to the White House? Corporate America loves the global economy. Wheather it's shipping jobs overseas or giving jobs to illegal immigrants in this country. Both have a positive effect on their bottom line at the expense of the American worker. The question is... as a brown baggin, middle class, union represented worker, which party and candidates are supported in this election by Corporate America and which party historically, has supported labor. You are Labor Brother!
ograc

 

[Ramp Rogue]

but that in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM means it's OK to allow illegal immigrants the right to work in our country when our own people can't find decent paying jobs ..

In these United States of America, I ask again what is a decent paying job? How much is decent pay?

Rogue

 

[necigrad]

Good God people! It's bad enough that I get innundated by political ads in the mail, recordings and surveys on the phone, commercials on TV and the internet. This thread is about US Airways Fleet Service, not politics!

 

[roabilly]

Grad..

No matter if you like or not... POLITICS have a huge bearing on our future as Union Workers. You have no right to tell me... or anyone else not to discuss them in this forum... if you don't like it... leave!

Further, we are working under federally regulated legislation that was drafted by Politicians... Politicians and politics permeate every aspect of Airline Labor... not discussing them, and refusing to acknowledge the influence they have on our work group would be a travesty... not to mention stupid!

 

[necigrad]

Lot's of things have a bearing on our future, that doesnt' mean they need to be discussed here. You guys are NOT debating politics and US, you're debating politics and labor. Take it to some political board.

 

[roabilly]

Lot's of things have a bearing on our future, that doesnt' mean they need to be discussed here. You guys are NOT debating politics and US, you're debating politics and labor. Take it to some political board.

Not happin’ Grad...

If the moderators deem the thread to be off subject... I’ll “consider” omitting politics from my posts... but YOU will not tell me how to post!

Organized Labor is politically tied to politics... corporations are politically tied to politics through lobbyist. Corporations employ us, Organized Labor represents us... you cannot separate the two!

As I said... if you don’t like it... don’t read it!

 

[ograc]

Brothers and Sisters,
It is with great sadness that I announce the passing of Brother William (Bill) Henefeld. Brother Henefeld was a true union activist and a dear friend of mine and the recently deceased Mickey Hughes. His union involvement and support of organized labor spanned three decades with US Airways. He will be truly and forever missed. I ask that you keep him and his family in your thoughts and prayers. God grant you eternal rest and peace Bill.
ograc

 

[roabilly]

Brothers and Sisters,
It is with great sadness that I announce the passing of Brother William (Bill) Henefeld. Brother Henefeld was a true union activist and a dear friend of mine and the recently deceased Mickey Hughes. His union involvement and support of organized labor spanned three decades with US Airways. He will be truly and forever missed. I ask that you keep him and his family in your thoughts and prayers. God grant you eternal rest and peace Bill.
ograc

I'm sorry to hear this... RIP... Bill.

 

[ograc]

Change of topic. Has anyone heard what the fate of the subsidary American Eagle will be as a result of American emerging as a stand alone carrier? Additionally, what the fate of American Eagle will be in the event of a potential merger/ acquisition? This issue is clouded in uncertainty and not given much coverage or consideration regarding a potential merger.
ograc

 

[Jester]

Change of topic. Has anyone heard what the fate of the subsidary American Eagle will be as a result of American emerging as a stand alone carrier? Additionally, what the fate of American Eagle will be in the event of a potential merger/ acquisition? This issue is clouded in uncertainty and not given much coverage or consideration regarding a potential merger.
ograc

Eagle filed BK at the same time as AA. Eagle has had a "For Sale" sign hanging around its neck for a few years now and no takers. There have been large cut backs already, and I see this only as a Zombie company with little hope of being alive much longer, at least, as part of AA. Frankly, it is just easier and cheaper to hire fee for service carriers, and whip saw one company against another to get the best deal.

Jester.

 

[ograc]

Eagle filed BK at the same time as AA. Eagle has had a "For Sale" sign hanging around its neck for a few years now and no takers. There have been large cut backs already, and I see this only as a Zombie company with little hope of being alive much longer, at least, as part of AA. Frankly, it is just easier and cheaper to hire fee for service carriers, and whip saw one company against another to get the best deal.

Jester.

IMO... if Eagle remains a subsidiary of AA going into a merger they will be a vendor, already on the property, in countless outline stations. With this being said, countless existing US Fleet and Customer Service jobs could be lost to Eagle in a seamless merger. When the company speaks of "synergies" gained by a merger those "synergies" are profits created by a merger. Synergies too often are realized by reductions in force and job loss to existing union represented employees. Eagle remains the "wolf at the door" to that realization for countless US represented employees in Fleet and Customer Service at US. Buckle your seat belts folks!

 

[john john]

http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/23/news/economy/us-airways-theft/index.html?source=yahoo_quote
A baggage handler for US Airways was arrested Tuesday for allegedly stealing $20,000 worth of new $100 bills being shipped to a Federal Reserve facility.