OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[prechilill]

Piedmont and USAir (Allegheny) along with many other airlines that did not have anti-nepotism hiring policies, hired many pilots from within their "family" of employees.

Having a family member help get your application perhaps to the top of the interview pile was helpful, but one still had to compete for the actual job. Some made it and some didn't.

Some of the finest pilots and nicest people at USAirways came from airline families. Pi Brat happens to be one of those guys and was one of the best pilots and first officers I had the privilege of flying with.

Someone who has grown up in a airline environment and works his/her way through the ranks has a unique appreciation of the industry. Wish we had more.....

I respect an 18 year old Marine much more than anything you can say above. It's about sacrifice, some do get lucky in life but those that do have no reason to cast stones and look down on others. I have no respect for punks like PIB- he deserves to be at the bottom of Nicolau and he is there for a reason. It's Karma, everything ends up balancing out in the end and there is nothing his daddy can do about it now. Smile!

 

[Pi brat]

Piedmont and USAir (Allegheny) along with many other airlines that did not have anti-nepotism hiring policies, hired many pilots from within their "family" of employees.

Having a family member help get your application perhaps to the top of the interview pile was helpful, but one still had to compete for the actual job. Some made it and some didn't.

Some of the finest pilots and nicest people at USAirways came from airline families. Pi Brat happens to be one of those guys and was one of the best pilots and first officers I had the privilege of flying with.

Someone who has grown up in a airline environment and works his/her way through the ranks has a unique appreciation of the industry. Wish we had more.....

Thank you 924PS. You have caught a lot of grief from some on this board, even some from me, but I can say that you were in the top 1% of pilots at this airline.

One small correction for the ignorant like preshil. When I was hired at PAI, they did have a nepotism policy. You could not be hired and work under the same V.P. that a parent did. My father was not a pilot. If he had been, I could not have been hired when I was. Many qualified pilot's sons went to other airlines. My father was a station manager. One of the best and one that went wherever, whenever PAI told him to. THAT is the reason I was given a CHANCE at PAI. But, it wasn't a free pass. I had to qualify and I was the only one in my class to to have the 727 flight manager following him. So preshilli, go XXXX yourself.

 

[N924PS]

Those are reasonable senitments. I've but two questions for you then: WHY have you been, and are yet so eager to throw Pi and most all of our juniors under the nic bus? What suddenly happened to eliminate all of your (presumably) real-world and hopefully demonstrated concern and respect for anyone that "works his/her way through the ranks"......?

I must suppose those noble sentiments all go out the window the first moment they inconvenience you personally....?

Two words: Binding Arbitration.

We agreed to it. After being unable to negotate and mediate a SLI.

You can't change unions to subvert the result.

If I believed Seham back in 2007 I would have voted for USAPA and supported the cause.

I hope this answers your questions satisfactorily.

 

[Pi brat]

Those are reasonable senitments. I've but two questions for you then: WHY have you been, and are yet so eager to throw Pi and most all of our juniors under the nic bus? What suddenly happened to eliminate all of your (presumably) real-world and hopefully demonstrated concern and respect for anyone that "works his/her way through the ranks"......?

I must suppose those noble sentiments all go out the window the first moment they inconvenience you personally....? If not, then pay rates/whatever effects on ourselves aside; how about we just simply do the right thing here?

East, that's not right. He has a different POV and in the end who knows who will be right? We are a long way from knowing. 924 and I have disagreed on a lot, but when we have I've seen it as a different POV. If you have flown with this man then you would know that he is one of the good ones.

 

[EastUS1]

Two words: Binding Arbitration.

If I believed Seham back in 2007 I would have voted fo USAPA and supported the cause.

I hope this answers your questions satisfactorily.

I don't find any easy facility for discarding my moral beliefs for the words binding arbitration. As for your "supported the cause"...well...would you care to review some of your posts from the early, post-nic period? You once did. This isn't about usapa...it's about not throwing our juniors' years of work away for personal convenience!

 

[Pi brat]

5000 hours, jet PIC and Part 121 time with a sim ride that 50% of the interview applicants fail. Glad you asked!
Now, PIBrat, back to the question... Did you even have an ATP???

Why yes I did dumb ass. And passed the PAI 727 F/E written with a 98%. Have never failed a checkride in my life, have never put a scratch on an airplane or passenger and have a stack of recommendations for the training department.

Marty might tell you to not ask questions that you don't know the answer to.

 

[Phoenix]

Just because you don't like a course of action the union is pursuing doesn't mean they don't have a legitimate union purpose.

Too bad some of the West posters aren't as smart as you.

Our opinion of a legitimate union purpose is of little impact, as the course of action the union takes is the prerogative of the elected leaders. We don't even get to vote thumbs up or down on a question of "legitimate union purpose". That won't come until after a ratification, if ever, and it won't be anyone on these boards.

 

[EastUS1]

If you have flown with this man then you would know that he is one of the good ones.

That's fair enough then, as I've likely not shared a flight deck with him. We clearly do differ in matters of essential philosophy on this nic madness though. Perhaps it's best just left at that.

 

[Pi brat]

Why yes I did dumb ass. And passed the PAI 727 F/E written with a 98%. Have never failed a checkride in my life, have never put a scratch on an airplane or passenger and have a stack of recommendations for the training department.

Marty might tell you to not ask questions that you don't know the answer to.

Actually shithead, I was wrong. I didn't have an ATP because I was too young to have one. What I did is take the ATP checkride at 20 and have a letter issued that said I had passed the checkride and when I was 23 I could present the letter to a FSDO and get the license. Sort of like how I started college before I graduated high school.

 

[Claxon]

According to you, I don't work at LCC so what's it matter?

Damn idiot.

Lets' see you back your Leonidas brother in arms, Nic4 us who called for a Thanksgiving job action. Are you all in?

 

[Claxon]

Yeah sweetie,I know. Those of us on the east have figured out where you put us.

Sweetcheecks, you get us $500 an hour and then come back and talk.

She makes the most idiotic postulations. She can't face the fact she ain't headed to AVL, ever. Just like Move ain't going anywhere near CLT.

 

[Claxon]

Actually shithead, I was wrong. I didn't have an ATP because I was too young to have one. What I did is take the ATP checkride at 20 and have a letter issued that said I had passed the checkride and when I was 23 I could present the letter to a FSDO and get the license. Sort of like how I started college before I graduated high school.

Cleardirect and the rest of the Nicolau morons can't get their thick heads around the fact their careers at Franke Air for the most part were totally substandard. Except for maybe two years.

 

[Phoenix]

I don't find any easy facility for discarding my moral beliefs for the words binding arbitration. ...

Any one that still thinks it is binding isn't paying attention. The courts have screamed to high heaven that it is only binding to the extent that USAPA chooses to submit itself to it.

USAPA is free to bargain as they see fit. Protesting otherwise is merely an attempt to shape the negotiations, which is humorously a tacit acknowledgement that USAPA is indeed free to bargain.

 

[Claxon]

Any one that still thinks it is binding isn't paying attention. The courts have screamed to high heaven that it is only binding to the extent that USAPA chooses to submit itself to it.

USAPA is free to bargain as they see fit. Protesting otherwise is merely an attempt to shape the negotiations, which is humorously a tacit acknowledgement that USAPA is indeed free to bargain.

You changed your bargaining agent. It is that simple, unbound. This is union stuff, not civil law.
Unfortunately for the western group, they have no understanding of any of it, and they pay every day for their ignorance.
That, is priceless........and exceptionally entertaining!

 

[EastUS1]

USAPA is free to bargain as they see fit. Protesting otherwise is merely an attempt to shape the negotiations, which is humorously a tacit acknowledgement that USAPA is indeed free to bargain.

Agreed.