Piedmont1984
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A puzzlement isn't it? Or maybe, despite all assertions from your side to the contrary, money actually takes a back seat to principle.
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A puzzlement isn't it? Or maybe, despite all assertions from your side to the contrary, money actually takes a back seat to principle.
More like: Not holding any confidence in any JCBA, period, barring some serious pressure on management to do so, which would only likely come from a merger-mania scenario, if even then. If you were seated on management's side of the trough and knew you had the perfect storm in labor-group relations going, and could further expect a ready pool of previously proven or recently professed volunteers-west scabs to cross over any picket lines...well...just how eager would the sorry sorts that sit in the towers of AWA/"USAirways" be to do anything that increases costs? Why would they? If you could use a hearty laugh today...we could recall the famous "because it's the right thing to do" remark..but I'm trying to keep this on a more or less adult level here...and not fall off my chair from uncontrollable guffaws. 😉
As it should, although there clearly are many who can't even comprehend the very concept.
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No, logic and reason takes a back seat to ego.
Absent a merger you'll probably retire with your "principle" and lack of money.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that!
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That would be the median, not the average.
I certainly hope so...and I'll then continue to sleep well. I'll leave you to fret yourself over any nickels and dimes.
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Ignorance is bliss.
I don't fret but I don't enjoy giving away one third of my life for nickels and dimes.
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You think that's funny? What's hysterical is that the west lived on bankruptcy-level (without even being in bankruptcy, yet!) contracts from their inception in the early 1980s, and now they think their cocks of the walk because they have the same crappy contract they always did, but marginally better than the east.
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As will you, my friend.
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Calling Luv a liar seems a bit excessive perhaps to me. The risk to your credibility in that accusation is very high. Do you have personal knowledge of Luv's intent to deceive folks for his own personal gain? Has someone corroborated your accusation? May I suggest if you disagree with someone, you could assert he is wrong, gravely mistaken, or misinformed and inaccurate. Then at least others could concede you probably really didn't have any deliberate intent to vilify him.
No skin?
I won't call you a liar, wrong, gravely mistaken, or misinformed and inaccurate. Neither will I question your motives. That's for others to consider, if they wish to go the way of being needlessly distracted from the real issue. Namely, do they want a change to the BPR's balance of power or not (ie. is our impasse with management the fault of three CLT members on the BPR or does the fault reside with management -- a management that as I recall has for many years stalled until the pilots negotiated lower and lower, against themselves, until we now have over %70 of our flying outsourced to Express, and all the other realities at mainline?… Not that there is necessarily anything wrong with that
. Since I am not running for office to be one of the reps to replace the CLT reps (I assume I don't' have your endorsement ) it doesn't matter whether or not your assertion about my status as a pilot is accurate. And I suppose your motive for asserting so is irrelevant too, since its accuracy or inaccuracy is irrelevant to the ROCCLT ambitions. Their ambitions are the issue, no? They are asking me to sign their petition, if I am eligible to do so My position on the COC speaks for itself. Others will have to decide how they feel about it, much like our pension that was given away (I am sure we got something in exchange for it. I think. Maybe. Well, it did help employees across the company keep their jobs.. at least a few more than half of employees.). The COC is part of our contract and is worth far more than just giving it up so we can get management to start talking with us. I hope folks don't believe our reps should telegraph to Doug that we will abandon our COC as a precondition to even beginning negotiations with him, at which point we would have already conceded the farm and restored the full APA pension. Who is in bankruptcy, anyway? Is this a chance to help out more employee groups with our contract provisions?
The CLT reps certainly don't intend to give up CoC as a precondition to talks, but there are some who have voiced the desire to install reps that do, and it seems to me that some of them appear intent on shifting the course of the BPR. If the CoC is of value, then its value can be negotiated with the company, and its distribution of value can be negotiated with the company. USAPA does represent all pilots. If USAPA only gets "a seat" at the table in exchange for CoC then it would be a terrible misfire way below target.. sorta like shooting one's own foot, IMHO.
I have always appreciated your posts and agreed with them and disagree at times. The freedom to see things differently is something we all deserve and ALPA found out the hard way that their condescending approach to lord it over us wasn't very popular. I certainly hope I never accused you of lying or never misrepresent your points. If I did I apologize. Personal attacks and mischaracterizations was unseemly in ALPA and it would be unseemly in any union.
Is there a cancer on the USAPA BRP that must be excised? Certainly a change of course on the BPR is one of the great benefits of our CB&L, and should not be underestimated.
Food for thought, I notice the APA pilots voiced an effort to recall some pilots on their board because of the approach some of the board members were taking in regard to the company. The recall efforts at the APA could be compared to the recall efforts by the ROCCLT. They look like a good case study in contrasts.
Cheers
Understood Jake. No two of us have identical reasons for what we do. I see my last portions of airline flight as being a continued opportunity for viewing the world from the higher altitudes and having the true privelege of working with some very fine people....NONE of whom I'm at ALL interested in throwing under the nic bus! I can't put any dollar value on that last part....period.
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I second that!
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Bid is out.
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Not really all that puzzling. My experience is that people rarely act on pure logic and mathematical-based reasoning. Emotions, pride, ignorance, arrogance and other similar human traits tend to strip a person of the capacity to make logically sound or quantifiably beneficial decisions.
This country wouldn't be $16 Trillion in debt heading towards $20-25 Trillion in debt in four years if the average person acted rationally and logically. There wouldn't be a Powerball lottery system if people acted logically or rationally. Saddam Hussein wouldn't have traded life in one of his many palaces for an underground rat hole if he would have been thinking logically or rationally when the leaders of the free world demanded he show proof that he had destroyed all of his previously acquired weapons of mass destruction.
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