OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

Judge Silver said it in her ruling.

Not a lie just the facts.

Show us the quote where she said USPA had to use ALPA merger policy, specifically the Nicolau.

 

[Zone5]

The 40-60 is what the east gets the west gets a lot less.

Try again.

OK, I'll try. Assuming at the end of the "merger day" the MOU term rates go into effect, certainly by the time a JCBA between APA and USAPA is ratified, (there will be no JCBA ratified between East and West, possibly ever) the pay raise for West 320/75 Captains would be $30/44 respectively. I stand corrected.


seajay

 

[Beancounter]

Show us the quote where she said USPA had to use ALPA merger policy, specifically the Nicolau.

Boy you guys are dense. She didn't say USAPA has to use the Nicolau, but whatever USAPA presents will be held up to the Nicolau. Kind of think of it like contract negotiations when you're dealing with a set amount the company can afford. You can increase the pay and decrease the benefits or vice versa, but the end product is the same. You might (it's a big might), be able to disadvantage the junior AWA FO's to the benefit of the senior AWA guys or vice versa, but the end product will be held up to the Nic. Mr. Parker and the legal team know this, how many more years is it going to take you to figure it out?

Bean

 

[EastUS1]

So, you agree fairness is subjective?

Nope. I agree PHX is subjective. Enjoy the place while it lasts at even it's present level of staffing and flights.

It's a true pity that any of this entire mess ever came to be...but I've no real sympathy for greedy and self obsessed people.

"It's ALL about MEEE!" is truly the root source of evil in this world. Enjoy all the grand "benefits" of embracing that "philosophy" and good luck with all to come.

 

[luvthe9]

Boy you guys are dense. She didn't say USAPA has to use the Nicolau, but whatever USAPA presents will be held up to the Nicolau. Kind of think of it like contract negotiations when you're dealing with a set amount the company can afford. You can increase the pay and decrease the benefits or vice versa, but the end product is the same. You might (it's a big might), be able to disadvantage the junior AWA FO's to the benefit of the senior AWA guys or vice versa, but the end product will be held up to the Nic. Mr. Parker and the legal team know this, how many more years is it going to take you to figure it out?

Bean

OK, show us where she said it will be held up against the Nicolau. You are the ones with the vivid imaginations about the Nicolau. You might think you have a shrine to it in your homes.
Be specific with her statement , quotes. None of the same stuff Clear makes up. Either way, she cannot usurp what the 9th said, Wake tried that and you know how that went down. The 9th said no harm, and no requirement for Nicolau. They also said the Nicolau might not be the harm you boys think it is. You are too imaginative on your harm.

 

[EastUS1]

OK, show us where she said it will be held up against the Nicolau.

Indeed, or where the 9th did....? None can because such never happened in either of those courts' proceedings.

Notions that the nic is it are entirely the product of cultish fantasy.

 

[traderjake]

OK, show us where she said it will be held up against the Nicolau.

This is what she said:

Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach
its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award
and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so. By discarding the
result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is
running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective
bargaining agreement is finalized.

An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Does that standard also apply to false accusation of RICO and is theft?

If it gave ALL of us second thoughts about how we treat each other then that SHOULD be the standard. I would have given more time to lapse before I would have brought a suit but it is what it is.

Again my point. I'm just making the point of being careful as to what degree of "respect" (or lack thereof) on web boards. For example, I do NOT recommend anyone advocate the death of say, the president, because you do not agree with his political philosophy. It certainly is well within your rights to advocate against his politics, but NOT for his life.

Again, just food for thought.

Have a great holiday.

 

[Phoenix]

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Reading the law is like reading the Bible. Anyone can find whatever they want in there. I'm getting dizzy reading all this crap. One day we'll find out. Any day now I expect;-)

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

This is what she said:

Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach
its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award
and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so. By discarding the
result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is
running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective
bargaining agreement is finalized.

An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.

Subjective, anyone can be sued, as the CACTUS 18!

 

[prechilill]

Nope. I agree PHX is subjective. Enjoy the place while it lasts at even it's present level of staffing and flights.

It's a true pity that any of this entire mess ever came to be...but I've no real sympathy for greedy and self obsessed people.

"It's ALL about MEEE!" is truly the root source of evil in this world. Enjoy all the grand "benefits" of embracing that "philosophy" and good luck with all to come.

It's a yes or no question. Again, do you agree with the other dude that fairness is subjective?

 

[end_of_alpa]

This is what she said:

Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach
its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award
and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so. By discarding the
result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is
running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective
bargaining agreement is finalized.

An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.

Dicta, dicta. dicta, etc., etc., etc.

 

[prechilill]

Subjective, anyone can be sued, as the CACTUS 18!

And what happened to the Cactus 18 at the district court?
At the appeals court?
What happened to the AAA mec suit against the Nicolau?
What happened to the MDA suit?
(this is getting funny)
What happened with the PIC?
What happened with CoC?
What happened with Kasher?

 

[prechilill]

Dicta, dicta. dicta, etc., etc., etc.

Back in your hole stupid man!!!

How's that DOH contract coming?
I was looking at the bid award- not too far from 767I captain... You can run but you can't hide boys!!!