OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

So a federal arbitration is binding but other types of arbitrations are not binding. Very selective ethics swan.

The judge is reminding usapa of their legal duties.She is also because of the ninths incorrect decision can't give the company immunity from liability. with immunity the company is not going to touch anything other than the Nicolau award.

Read the transcripts and see the panic in Siegel of not getting an answer because of the ninths decision.

" She is also because of the ninths incorrect decision" I just luv that statement, "EN BANC" DENIED! Oh yea, you gotta luv GILLIGANS island your own little reality show, man I miss those ITT video's!

 

[Phoenix]

"That decision would tentatively enable US Airways to negotiate a joint contract with its pilots, after which pilots who felt disadvantaged by that contract's seniority provisions would have the right to sue."

 

[Move2CLT]

"That decision would tentatively enable US Airways to negotiate a joint contract with its pilots, after which pilots who felt disadvantaged by that contract's seniority provisions would have the right to sue."

The company, being risk averse, wouldn't allow it to get to that point.

Checkmate easties.

 

[Move2CLT]

None of that matters nor does Nic. We have moved WAY past that stuff.that was all Nic junk and that doesn t matter anymore.

And Kasher must pay, right luv?

Yawn.

 

[cleardirect]

"That decision would tentatively enable US Airways to negotiate a joint contract with its pilots, after which pilots who felt disadvantaged by that contract's seniority provisions would have the right to sue."

Be careful there Phoenix. It does not say what seniority method would be used.

The pilots that feel disadvantaged could be east pilots when the Nicolau is used. Start saving your pennies now.

Don't forget. You are relying on usapa to negotiate. We have seen how that has gone for the last 5 years. You still have to get past the company and their liability.

 

[Claxon]

"That decision would tentatively enable US Airways to negotiate a joint contract with its pilots, after which pilots who felt disadvantaged by that contract's seniority provisions would have the right to sue."

Those same pilots who felt disadvantaged, also have the right to take a dump. Big deal.
The Westoffs construe that to mean they will win. That is where the successful outcome is an extremely distant possibility.

 

[Claxon]

Be careful there Phoenix. It does not say what seniority method would be used.

The pilots that feel disadvantaged could be east pilots when the Nicolau is used. Start saving your pennies now.

It won't be the Nic. You assured that won't happen.
You certainly live up to your signature by substituting your
Own absurd reality

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Be careful there Phoenix. It does not say what seniority method would be used.

The pilots that feel disadvantaged could be east pilots when the Nicolau is used. Start saving your pennies now.

Don't forget. You are relying on usapa to negotiate. We have seen how that has gone for the last 5 years. You still have to get past the company and their liability.

With the 9th's incorrect decision and the companies liability, my bet is they will sell the WEST, take the money and run!

 

[Claxon]

And Kasher must pay, right luv?

Yawn.

I hear the western div pilots are tdy in CLT. Seems there isn't enough flying in their own burgeoning base. Not a good sign.

 

[Claxon]

Ask nic4 if this a practice scab exercise. Luvn737 also.

 

[traderjake]

I hear the western div pilots are tdy in CLT. Seems there isn't enough flying in their own burgeoning base. Not a good sign.

Tell us who you work for and where you're based.

 

[Phoenix]

"That decision would tentatively enable US Airways to negotiate a joint contract with its pilots, after which pilots who felt disadvantaged by that contract's seniority provisions would have the right to sue."

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11727180/1/us-airways-merger-with-amr-remains-on-front-burner.html

The quote is a closing announcement of progress that comes from a puff piece that paints the AA LCC merger as not only inevitable but also desired by all, and now possible due to Silver's expected ruling.

Some people still have hope that Parker will bargain only for the Nic and immediate implementation thereof, due to some hoped aversion for risk... Hogwash.

Companies are not driven by risk but rather by profits. Risk is merely a theoretical line item of a possible cost. Since Parker claims a 2B$ synergy per year, I don't think he can afford to refuse to bargain with USAPA now that there is no question he must (assuming Silver doesn't change her mind). Refusing to bargain could cost 2B$ but accepting anything other than the Nic has an obscure possibility of a cost to USAPA and an even more remote possibility of cost to Parker. The amount of money he stands to gain, year over year, can easily pay for lawyers to mitigate, no, eliminate, any minute threat raised by dissatisfied pilots. Just look at how long Eastern pilots have been suing, and TWA pilots, etc. etc. ..and those aren't even the wishful hybrid variety that aims with an erratic strategy pointing everywhere.

After all that has transpired since those distant days of yore, and the things that would conceivably transpire from now until a contract is ratified, there is an extremely small risk that anyone could pin the company down for any liability of harm for moving off the Nic and even if someone were to venture a try, the company will have more than enough petty cash to deflect, deny, and defeat.

The Nic risk is like a bumblebee splat on the front wind screen.

 

[nic4us]

Ask nic4 if this a practice scab exercise. Luvn737 also.

There is no TDY in CLT...that is strictly forbidden in the same TA that guarantees the Nic.

got any other questions for me claxipad?

 

[nic4us]

http://www.thestreet...ont-burner.html

The quote is a closing announcement of progress that comes from a puff piece that paints the AA LCC merger as not only inevitable but also desired by all, and now possible due to Silver's expected ruling.

Some people still have hope that Parker will bargain only for the Nic and immediate implementation thereof, due to some hoped aversion for risk... Hogwash.

Companies are not driven by risk but rather by profits. Risk is merely a theoretical line item of a possible cost. Since Parker claims a 2B$ synergy per year, I don't think he can afford to refuse to bargain with USAPA now that there is no question he must (assuming Silver doesn't change her mind). Refusing to bargain could cost 2B$ but accepting anything other than the Nic has an obscure possibility of a cost to USAPA and an even more remote possibility of cost to Parker. The amount of money he stands to gain, year over year, can easily pay for lawyers to mitigate, no, eliminate, any minute threat raised by dissatisfied pilots. Just look at how long Eastern pilots have been suing, and TWA pilots, etc. etc. ..and those aren't even the wishful hybrid variety that aims with an erratic strategy pointing everywhere.

After all that has transpired since those distant days of yore, and the things that would conceivably transpire from now until a contract is ratified, there is an extremely small risk that anyone could pin the company down for any liability of harm for moving off the Nic and even if someone were to venture a try, the company will have more than enough petty cash to deflect, deny, and defeat.

The Nic risk is like a bumblebee splat on the front wind screen.

Pehaps "some people" have that hope...but it ain't AOL and the West pilot class.

Parker is not going to "bargain for the Nic" and he ain't oging to accept DOH...he is going to tell whoever handles the official reply to the NMB (i.e. Kirby Johnson..etc)after the scab union petitions for renewed mediation, to forward the company's reply of..um...how about no..because nothing has changed?

I would say our first indication of where things will lead is the NMB's reply. If they tell the company to get back to the table, things look good for usapa and their next three years of negotiations toward a JCBA, if the NMB leaves usapa parked...well then Dan davis can still kiss our a$$.

 

[Phoenix]

Nothing has changed. Nothing has changed. Nothing has changed. Or is it, there's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home.