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OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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More anger! LOA 93 starting to suck?

No original thoughts? I said it was the east that had the circle jerk going yesterday. But no matter.

If you don't care what we think or say why are you here?

If usapa and the east is winning and now think you can do whatever you want with a seniority list, go do it. Why all of the begging for compromise? Just go do it. Get Parker to agree to whatever you think is fair outside of the Nicolau and we can let a court decide if what you did represented the west fairly or not. Stop talking about it and get it done.

Let's see what kind of skills usapa and east pilots have.

Im not here as much as you. I stop in about once a month to see whats going on, is that okay? I posted about the West Circle Jerk Club over a month ago. But no matter. Im not begging for anything. I will go by what the courts say. The West wants the lotto ticket period, I get it. It is a waste of time to even talk to any of you.
 
You state dogfighting is a "deadly serious business" yet you come on these boards challenging every west pilot to one.


Obviously, from that inacurrate and hysterical response; anything beyond your Xbox would be far too much for you to ever even consider....Nothing like internet "tough guys"....Oh well. Referencing your latest BS; A real-world dogfight would be deadly serious, which is certainly nothing I had in mind for sport here, nor is even possible in any case. I'd earlier gone with the fighter-fantasy operations that provide a bit of lightweight sport...but even that would presume you could, (to avoid total embarrassment) more or less anyway, actually fly to some extent. 😉 Sigh! Don't fret over it kid...you've always got your Xbox and your mighty keyboard, so just have fun with the Xbox, keyboard and of course...your "spartan army" and nic-uber-alles fantasies. Btw; should it offer you any solace; I agree that there's certainly countless of your noted 13 year olds that could thoroughly whup my sorry case on any Xbox, so take heart 🙂

Meanwhile back at the ranch...seems there's little to do but wait for the published ruling.
 
I'm going to stick with my earlier prediction, baring an American merger. I call years of stagnation on the west and LOA 93 for a loooong time. Maybe I'll take a break from this board and baring an American merger, check back in a couple years. Take care y'all.

Bean
 
I'm going to stick with my earlier prediction, baring an American merger. I call years of stagnation on the west and LOA 93 for a loooong time. Maybe I'll take a break from this board and baring an American merger, check back in a couple years. Take care y'all.

Bean

Take care meanwhile. Perhaps more of interest will arise from Judge Silver's ruling, In any case: Have a fine evening Bean.
 
I'm going to stick with my earlier prediction, baring an American merger. I call years of stagnation on the west and LOA 93 for a loooong time. Maybe I'll take a break from this board and baring an American merger, check back in a couple years. Take care y'all.

Bean

Separate ops will soon mean LOA93 Lite. Those over 60 tapping into their PBGC benefits and the so called angry F/O's getting their pay raises with upgrades.

But check back anyway.
 
I'm going to stick with my earlier prediction, baring an American merger. I call years of stagnation on the west and LOA 93 for a loooong time. Maybe I'll take a break from this board and baring an American merger, check back in a couple years. Take care y'all.

Bean

I think you are correct. Enjoy your break, it's needed from this place from time to time. Nic should try it. The turrets might subside.

Take care.
 
Obviously, from that inacurrate and hysterical response; anything beyond your Xbox would be far too much for you to ever even consider....Nothing like internet "tough guys"....Oh well. Referencing your latest BS; A real-world dogfight would be deadly serious, which is certainly nothing I had in mind for sport here, nor is even possible in any case. I'd earlier gone with the fighter-fantasy operations that provide a bit of lightweight sport...but even that would presume you could, (to avoid total embarrassment) more or less anyway, actually fly to some extent. 😉 Sigh! Don't fret over it kid...you've always got your Xbox and your mighty keyboard, so just have fun with the Xbox, keyboard and of course...your "spartan army" and nic-uber-alles fantasies. Btw; should it offer you any solace; I agree that there's certainly countless of your noted 13 year olds that could thoroughly whup my sorry case on any Xbox, so take heart 🙂

Meanwhile back at the ranch...seems there's little to do but wait for the published ruling.

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"Don't fret over it kid...you've always got your Xbox and your mighty keyboard, so just have fun with the Xbox, keyboard and of course...your "spartan army" and nic-uber-alles fantasies"

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Oops...my mistake. Apparently; I should have said Xbox and mighty Zzzzzzzzzzeeee-board.
 
I just read woody’s rant. It reads as if he is begging the west to stop, give up, concede to usapa. (Never going to happen)

A rant it was I'll give you that. What you and every West pilot should take away from it however, is the author is a senior wide body Captain yet 5 1/2 years down this road is giving it to ya with barrels over the award.

It's a shame the fundraisers at AOL coined the phrase ' angry FO ' and even more that the West pilot group bought hook, line and sinker into the fantasy of sending them your money and toeing the party line till the East Captains rose up in rebellion so you could cash in. Honestly, the AOL updates with the ending pleas for cash remind me of a disgraced televagelist.

You won't be getting the Nic and with this merger all the more risk IS yours.
 
"Don't fret over it kid...you've always got your Xbox and your mighty keyboard, so just have fun with the Xbox, keyboard and of course...your "spartan army" and nic-uber-alles fantasies"



Oops...my mistake. Apparently; I should have said Xbox and mighty Zzzzzzzzzzeeee-board.

No. You should have just STFU.
 
A rant it was I'll give you that. What you and every West pilot should take away from it however, is the author is a senior wide body Captain yet 5 1/2 years down this road is giving it to ya with barrels over the award.

It's a shame the fundraisers at AOL coined the phrase ' angry FO ' and even more that the West pilot group bought hook, line and sinker into the fantasy of sending them your money and toeing the party line till the East Captains rose up in rebellion so you could cash in. Honestly, the AOL updates with the ending pleas for cash remind me of a disgraced televagelist.

You won't be getting the Nic and with this merger all the more risk IS yours.

I do not think you understand the West or AOL's strategy.

We are not waiting for the east captains to rise up. The strategy is very simple. Might does not make right, we hold the high ground, there is absolutely no reason to give concessions to so that our careers can be further decimated by the east.

Further, there is no West strategic committee, or meeting of the minds to plan our strategy. There are always competing courses of action and the path is determined by default of who gets/got financed to defend our position.

Look at this board today. You have Lynyrd saying we need to go ahead and let usapa get a ratified contract so we can sue, then you have the competing camp (of which I belong) that says no...that is a very bad idea, particularly with a pending merger. So, who's plan moves forward for the West...the one that gets financed. As of now that is twofold. We have AOL representing the West class in the company DJ, and we have retained a separate law firm to represent West interest in case of a merger, and the accompanying SLI.

Bottom line...east captains can do whatever they see fit to do...but, guys like Woody and Dan Davis, and I suspect a very big majority of east pilots being fed the BS from usapa and eating it up with a giant spoon, have little to no clue about the position they hold, what the court rulings actually mean, or the penalty that awaits.

One more thing...you say we won't be getting the NIc. Very self assured statement,,,you do know that the Nic is the only accepted system seniority list at LCC at this time??...that usapa has absolutely no other valid system seniority list to offer in the event of a merger,,and the company is still on the hook for collusion if they stray from the Nic and renegotiate a change to our CBA that says Nic is our combined seniority list.

So, who is waiting for the east captains to "rise up"? It ain't the West, we know who voted in usapa. I think it is the hard liners on the east that fear an uprising of east captains who have endured an extra 5 years of BS pay and work rules. After all, you know how much you are costing them more than the West does, you live it everyday.
 
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