OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[A320 Driver]

Really! Do you seriously think the at this point the west does not have more than enough evidence for DFR II? We had way more than enough for DFR I and we did not use all of it. Cleary handed us a shipping container worth of more DFR evidence. Usapa almost Dailey gives us more. We have no need to generate more evidence of usapa failing to represent the wet fairly.

Really!
I think if you had it, you would have used it by now. If you (AOL) are so confidant, why haven't you sued USAPA for DFR?
Unless you are willing to act on it, all you have is cannon fodder. Truth is, until a non-NIC list is negotiated and a contract signed, you don't have anything. THEN, you will have to prove the new list causes you harm which, IMO, means you will have to compare the NIC to whatever list USAPA comes up with and show specifically how you are disadvantaged.

You tried to sue before based on current conditions and you lost. So you might want to re-think your post.


Driver...

 

[EastUS1]

You have broken the "sound barrier", in an airplane? Cool, I haven't.

It's actually a pretty mundane event...but it sure wasn't when General Yeager was the first to do it in level flight (or possibly ever and survive it to tell)....and nobody really knew what to expect.

 

[Pi brat]

It's actually a pretty mundane event...but it sure wasn't when General Yeager was the first to do it in level flight....and nobody really knew what to expect.

Well, it's looking like I won't have the chance unless I have a bad day. My Dad turned down a free ride on Concorde because he saw fuel leaking. I said "What about me?" Hell, the B99s I spent a few thousand hours in leaked fuel.

 

[luvthe9]

Excuse them. The bad news on the western front is particularly alarming. Parker is not appealing and the wives are finished funding the NICOLAU debacle.

Also the AOL Nov 2 meeting is to be canceled, no one is donating anymore and they are in serious debt with the attorneys. Ferguson has misled and screwed over the AWA pilots, they should go after him for damages.

 

[luvn737s]

Unless you are willing to act on it, all you have is cannon fodder. Truth is, until a non-NIC list is negotiated and a contract signed, you don't have anything. THEN, you will have to prove the new list causes you harm which, IMO, means you will have to compare the NIC to whatever list USAPA comes up with and show specifically how you are disadvantaged.

No, all they have to do is prove that a list that was not the Nic was used. The west is contending that USAPA is bound to use the Nicolau list per the agreed-to arbitration. The requirement for a signed contract just takes the injury from speculation (a proposal) to a bona fide DFR. No court has ever told USAPA they don't have to use the NIC (they don't have to be told this, just informed of the risks in not using it), rather they have been told that the case against them will be ripe once a contract is signed.

USAPA will not be the entity that unravels Binding Arbitration. They are acting like children who find a loaded gun on the table yet can't avoid the temptation to play with it while the adults scream at them from a distance to put it down.

 

[luvthe9]

Hey, I saw Move2 at the KFC on Thunderbird road tonight, think he ordered a bucket of extra crispy.

 

[luvthe9]

. The west is contending that USAPA is bound to use the Nicolau list per the agreed-to arbitration.

Contend all you want the courts say otherwise, how much money will you keep taking from your poor familes for a wasteful suit that will go nowhere. PS you better take your money off Dougie!!!

 

[Pi brat]

Hey, I saw Move2 at the KFC on Thunderbird road tonight, think he ordered a bucket of extra crispy.

It think you must be mistaken. I believe he returned the truck and then went home to face the music.

 

[Claxon]

Luvn737 s obviously did not get one word the 9 th said. The Nic is not a requirement. Let's hope they sue again. The Wake trial was well worth every minute. And the wives got a firsthand look at a 2 million Leonidas dump.

 

[Claxon]

AWAPPA was hijacked by the Leonidas mavericks. Ferguson has led them into legal quagmires ever since.
The entire Leonidas experiment is coming to a quick and explosive conclusion.

 

[EastUS1]

They are acting like children who find a loaded gun on the table yet can't avoid the temptation to play with it while the adults scream at them from a distance to put it down.

Then I'd strongly suggest conceiving both a strategic and then immediately tactical response that offers more productive value than your constant screaming. Personally....I've never held that screaming offers much use in ANY dire straights 😉

What I'd expect from any supposed "adult" in your scenario is instant intervention. Who's life's more important there....yours or the child's, and what happens if you just scream like a little pussycat and do nothing but hope the kid doesn't kill him/herself or anyone else present? Your ideas clearly differ to have even dreamed up that scenario....I can't say I'm much surprised. Perhaps you should consider some remedial training for yourself and your "army" of "spartans" 🙂

 

[A320 Driver]

No, all they have to do is prove that a list that was not the Nic was used. The west is contending that USAPA is bound to use the Nicolau list per the agreed-to arbitration. The requirement for a signed contract just takes the injury from speculation (a proposal) to a bona fide DFR.

If it's so simple, then file your suit again tomorrow. What are you waiting for?

No court has ever told USAPA they don't have to use the NIC.

Then why didn't they just say that..."USAPA, you have to use the NIC"? See how easy that was? Seven simple words that you will not find in the 9ths judgement of that of Judge Silver.

Driver...

 

[EastUS1]

If it's so simple, then file your suit again tomorrow. What are you waiting for?

Then why didn't they just say that..."USAPA, you have to use the NIC"? See how easy that was? Seven simple words that you will not find in the 9ths judgement of that of Judge Silver.

luvn737s: "No, all they have to do is prove that a list that was not the Nic was used."

It's a faith-based cult you're dealing with there Driver.

 

[EastUS1]

Well, it's looking like I won't have the chance unless I have a bad day. My Dad turned down a free ride on Concorde because he saw fuel leaking. I said "What about me?" Hell, the B99s I spent a few thousand hours in leaked fuel.

Unfortunately; I never thumbed a ride on the Concorde either, even when we could do so for a fairly small amount. I'd guess though, that the primary indication of busting mach aboard her as a pax would've just been the announcement from the cockpit.

 

[Pi brat]

Unfortunately; I never thumbed a ride on the Concorde either, even when we could do so for a fairly small amount. I'd guess though, that the primary indication of busting mach aboard her as a pax would've just been the announcement from the cockpit.

A ripple in the champagne I guess. About the best I could do. When I was in college Piedmont was hiring only protected(by the deregulation laws) employees and I thought there would be enough of them to last for years. I talked to the Air Force and Navy, I had no real clue about the Reserves or National Guard. They told me I had little chance of getting a flying slot if not already in ROTC. Oh well, things turned out okay, even with this seniority debacle.