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OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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Your cavalier and instant dismissal of the following alone precludes even the possibility of productive discussion:

cleardirect: "Changing seniority to "break the logjam" as Seham tried to argue 4 years ago does not hold up.
A contract will never pass is not a reason."
Not my cavalier dismissal. Those excuses have already been tried in court or in front of the arbitrator. They have failed. So if usapa wnat to use something other than the Nicolau they have to tell the company and the court WHY. You said you had numerous ones.

So are you going to give us a list of LUP WHY usapa wants to change an arbitrated list that has been accepted and found to comply with the policy and rule by the court to be fair?

Or did I use all or your excuses?
 
Thanks..

As far as this APA member is concerned, there once were two airlines who agreed to binding arbitration. The arbitrator developed an integration. Game over.

Should LCC and AA merger, Nic it is. Anything else is B.S.
That is the way the west sees it.

The PHX reps at the last board meeting informed Kieth Wilson of that fact. The west expects the APA to use the Nicolau list.
 
Thanks..

As far as this APA member is concerned, there once were two airlines who agreed to binding arbitration. The arbitrator developed an integration. Game over.

Should LCC and AA merger, Nic it is. Anything else is B.S.

And that ladies and gentlemen says it all.

If we merger it is the Nic...if we don't merge it is the Nic.
 
That is the way the west sees it.

The PHX reps at the last board meeting informed Kieth Wilson of that fact. The west expects the APA to use the Nicolau list.
If the APA would like to remain without a contract for an additional DECADE like the East, then I guess ignoring the Nic. is the best way to do that. If, on the other hand, APA wants to EVER get out of bankruptcy era/ 9-11 payrates, all they have to do is follow the rule of law and accept the Nic as there is no LUO for ignoring it. The only objective USAPA has ever had is blatant theft. Seeing what an abject disaster and failure Bradfords little experiement has been, I doubt very much that any other pilot group would be the slightest bit interested to follow suit.

APA either accepts the Nic. or accepts working for 50% less than industry standard....just like the East pilots.
 
I can immediately think of a number of perfectly reasonable purposes that are well-served by dismissing the nic insanity.

We are waiting....

The number of perfectly reasonable purposes that fit within a legitimate union purpose equals exactly zero, goose egg, nada, nil, and I defy you to come up with even one.
 
We are waiting....

The number of perfectly reasonable purposes that fit within a legitimate union purpose equals exactly zero, goose egg, nada, nil, and I defy you to come up with even one.

When does a LUP get judged. Not sure, but pretty confident, that your opinion or mine does not really matter.
 
nic4us: The number of perfectly reasonable purposes that fit within a legitimate union purpose equals exactly zero, goose egg, nada, nil,....

And that ladies and gentlemen says it all.

If we merger it is the Nic...if we don't merge it is the Nic.

It does indeed say it all. = Yours is an entirely faith-based cult. Have a good day none the less. 😉
 
Thanks..

As far as this APA member is concerned, there once were two airlines who agreed to binding arbitration. The arbitrator developed an integration. Game over.

Should LCC and AA merger, Nic it is. Anything else is B.S.

Indeed the game was over five years ago when AWA saved USAir.. now AWA is on the verge of saving its second major airline.. Where do those super heroes find the time and money?
 
"Clinton appointed Judge Silver"

Bush 1 appointed Judge Silver.


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She was a law clerk for Justice Lorna Lockwood of the Supreme Court of Arizona from 1971 to 1972. She was in private practice in Phoenix, Arizona from 1972 to 1974. Silver then served as an adviser and litigator for the Education Division of the Navajo Nation's Native American Rights Fund from 1974 to 76. She was an in house labor counsel for the Greyhound Corporation from 1976 to 1978. Silver returned to private practice in Phoenix, Arizona in 1978 before becoming a trial attorney for the Equal Opportunity Commission in 1979. She was an assistantU.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona from 1980 to 1984. Silver became an assistant Arizona attorney general in 1984 and served until she returned to the U.S. Attorney's office in 1986. In 1989, she was promoted to Chief of the criminal division.[sup][1][/sup]
Silver was nominated by President Bill Clinton on September 14, 1994, to a seat on the U.S. District Court for Arizona vacated by Earl H. Carroll. She was confirmed by the United States Senate on October 7, 1994, and received her commission on October 11, 1994.[sup][1][/sup] Silver became Chief Judge in January 2011 after the shooting death of previous Chief Judge John Rollduring the 2011 assassination attempt of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.[sup][background=initial][[/background]2[background=initial]][/background][/sup]

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Thanks..

As far as this APA member is concerned, there once were two airlines who agreed to binding arbitration. The arbitrator developed an integration. Game over.

Should LCC and AA merger, Nic it is. Anything else is B.S.

You should understand the Nic award allows every single AWA pilot - even the furloughed ones to hold a captain position on a merged list. Plan on a furloughed 2 year dude holding captain in dallas.
 
The judge questions USAPA, "Did you ever try to negotiate with the west?" They answer with a list of attempts made. "And was the west ever willing to participate?" They answer, "No, your honor." "Case dismissed."
Wake asked Mowery how many west pilots had he consulted with when drafting the Conditions and Restrictions. Answer, "One, your honor" (I believe it was Burdick that he consulted with, but I may be wrong).

Wake saw through USAPA's transparent motives, as will any subsequent Judges.

What do you plan to do if the Judge asks how many times Cleary/Hummel has addressed the west pilots in PHX. Start thinking of a good excuse.
 
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