OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Beancounter]

Bean said: " No wonder you think Parker is just going to go along with your little plan to steal seniority and place the company in harms way."

I could care less about the company's "harms way."

But I am thrilled you now understand the importance of "SENIORITY" and its potential "theft." Progress!

Greeter

Of course you don't care, you just want to make up for the fact you made a bad decision in the past by staying at US Airways. Try and get it through your thick head that the company is the one that will give you a new contract and THEY CARE. Why do you think they went to court in the first place? Oh yeah, I forgot it's part of the grand conspiracy to keep you on LOA93 (extreme sarcasm). Nobody needs to try you guys are doing a great job by yourselves.

Bean

 

[Pi brat]

The suspense is killing me...

Will USAPA attempt to circumvent the NIC?

Will Parker step in the pile of dog####?

Will the west do more than sit as pawns to the evil empire?

Stay tuned....?

The re-runs started 4 years ago..... :mellow:

Or you can switch to channel 2 and watch "As the Eagle Spins"

Will more seats come loose?

Will a MD80 taxi faster than 2 knots without loosing a wheel?

Will Horton file an injunction, or with he come up with the dowry to make up with the men so they will stop courting the ugly girl?

Tune in tomorrow.........

 

[AAviator]

Who needs cable???

 

[cleardirect]

You(singular) know how you(plural) tell us(plural) that we need to read for ourselves and get educated? Well, I wasted a few minutes of my life and read the PHX "update". AGAIN, here's what the author wrote:


Clear, how did the merger get done if there was no capital raised? We know that a few billion of outside dollars was raised to fund the merger and US's Chp 11 exit. NEITHER side had enough. Is it a matter of semantics? If so, it's the PHX reps doing the typing.

You know the best line in this update though? Scherff calling USAPA, a group that HE is a representative of, telling a someone that they are dysfunctional. I can't believe you guys elected him.

And you(plural) said USAPA wouldn't get a hundred cards. You(plural) said USAPA would lose the election. You(plural) said there was no way Judge Wake would be overturned, that he wrote the book on appeals. You(plural) said this would all be over by April, last April. See a trend here?

Really you ask the question how did the merger get done if US Airways could not raise the capital? Are you so closed minded that you can't figure this out?

Yes capital was raised. US Airways did not do it and had no ability to raise the money. That leaves one option. That America West raised the money. Doug Parker, thus putting him in the position to run the new company. Money guys gave the money to the guy as much as the deal. The money guys had confidence in Parker's ability to run the airline. Was that really so far outside your realm of possibility that you could not believe it to be the case? That little old AWA could come take US Airways?

You say that it is the PHX reps doing the typing. Have any of the other reps or usapa communication said anything different?

Is Sherff wrong? Do you think that usapa is a perfectly functioning union? Are you offended that someone would actually tell the truth?

If Lee Seham knew that he would be turned on by Cleary and usapa when Seham hired on do you think he would have taken the job? usapa is built on dysfunction, but then again east pilots have known nothing but dysfunction. You don't know any different or know any better.

 

[Pi brat]

Really you ask the question how did the merger get done if US Airways could not raise the capital? Are you so closed minded that you can't figure this out?

Yes capital was raised. US Airways did not do it and had no ability to raise the money. That leaves one option. That America West raised the money. Doug Parker, thus putting him in the position to run the new company. Money guys gave the money to the guy as much as the deal. The money guys had confidence in Parker's ability to run the airline. Was that really so far outside your realm of possibility that you could not believe it to be the case? That little old AWA could come take US Airways?

You say that it is the PHX reps doing the typing. Have any of the other reps or usapa communication said anything different?

Is Sherff wrong? Do you think that usapa is a perfectly functioning union? Are you offended that someone would actually tell the truth?

If Lee Seham knew that he would be turned on by Cleary and usapa when Seham hired on do you think he would have taken the job? usapa is built on dysfunction, but then again east pilots have known nothing but dysfunction. You don't know any different or know any better.

Good Lord man, can you not read?!

asked if they were involved in raising any capital during that period, to which they answered, “there was no capital raised during the last US Airways bankruptcy." When asked to clarify, this statement was repeated.

asked if they were involved in raising any capital during that period, to which they answered, “there was no capital raised during the last US Airways bankruptcy." When asked to clarify, this statement was repeated.

asked if they were involved in raising any capital during that period, to which they answered, “there was no capital raised during the last US Airways bankruptcy." When asked to clarify, this statement was repeated.

Those are your reps words. Not "US Airways didn't raise any capital" but that none was raised. I've shown you were that wasn't true. AW came on line as a potential investor in Feb '05.

Yeah. it's dysfunctional, with guys like Scherff being a big reason.

 

[Pi brat]

Of course you don't care, you just want to make up for the fact you made a bad decision in the past by staying at US Airways.

Hey Bean-Weren't you furloughed here? Are you still working at US?

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

There would not be three lists but, instead, only two: Nic and the APA.

I do believe Wilson made that pretty clear at the BPR meeting he attended.

I'd like to think he means that, but I'm a whole lot less than sure about it.

 

[Beancounter]

Hey Bean-Weren't you furloughed here? Are you still working at US?

I would have, if I'd been there/here. Still hold a seniority number. I think my furloughed time would have been about a year, can't remember, if I had been there/here🙂 Did I make any sense?

Bean

 

[Move2CLT]

If it is going to be that easy put your money where your mouth is. Have AOL go to the company and tell them that they believe they have cover and they will publicly state that and they will not include the company in a DFR. The west pilots do what they say. Tell the company to stop delaying and put a contract out so you can sue USAPA for DFR II and it will be done. Simple.

Breeze doesn't want one!!!

 

[700UW]

Yep, and everyone knows it, even if you keep getting invited to the party,

BTW, I just read the PHX update. Here's the quote:

"Tracy Parrella (who was serving as DDR for PHL Vice-Chair Mike Gillies) asked if they were involved in raising any capital during that period, to which they answered, “there was no capital raised during the last US Airways bankruptcy." When asked to clarify, this statement was repeated"

We KNOW that is not true. Maybe they didn't raise it, but it's clear that there was a ton of capital raised by the Luth Group. The merger could not have been completed without it being raised as AWA didn't have it.

Mr. Luth led capital raises for Air Canada ($1.0 billion) that was coupled with a $500 million annual cost reduction program organized and directed by Seabury, and raised $1.1 billion that year for US Airways Group Inc. in the midst of a global credit crisis

Mr. Luth also advised US Airways Group in its reorganization and merger with America West Holdings Corporation (2004-2005), a transaction led by Seabury that included raising $866 million of equity and $705 million of other forms of debt and supplier liquidity facilities as well as effectuating over $2 billion in aircraft sales.

 

[luvn737s]

Had Nicolau not totally screwed this thing up, it most likely would have flown. If you have this much of an uproar over a seniority dispute, something is obviously wrong. It is like going to an orthopedic surgeon to perform a knee replacement, and the patient comes out a cripple and then dies from an infection. Something went wrong, and it is understandable because Nicolau is human.
The part that really got the East in an uproar is the new hires jumping guys with 15 yrs and close approximations in that seniority band. It was an absolutely bad arbitration. Unless someone in a leadership position for the West pilots steps up soon with an alternate idea that is fair, you are going to get a DOH proposal. Absolutely.

No, the uproar is only roaring because the east has the numbers to drive the boat. However they have proven they don't have the talent,no the destination and are begging the west for gas money.

Pathetic

 

[700UW]

Really you ask the question how did the merger get done if US Airways could not raise the capital? Are you so closed minded that you can't figure this out?

Yes capital was raised. US Airways did not do it and had no ability to raise the money. That leaves one option. That America West raised the money. Doug Parker, thus putting him in the position to run the new company. Money guys gave the money to the guy as much as the deal. The money guys had confidence in Parker's ability to run the airline. Was that really so far outside your realm of possibility that you could not believe it to be the case? That little old AWA could come take US Airways?

You say that it is the PHX reps doing the typing. Have any of the other reps or usapa communication said anything different?

Is Sherff wrong? Do you think that usapa is a perfectly functioning union? Are you offended that someone would actually tell the truth?

If Lee Seham knew that he would be turned on by Cleary and usapa when Seham hired on do you think he would have taken the job? usapa is built on dysfunction, but then again east pilots have known nothing but dysfunction. You don't know any different or know any better.

Are you kidding me?

US Airways hired Seabury and Associates and raised the money, not HP, your clearly lying.

And I shown you and the whole board US raised the money, and the info was from the PPG and Seabury and Associates.

You havent posted a thing about HP and where they got the money, oh wait, you cant cause they didnt.

Why post lies?

 

[Metroyet]

The last thing the ninth intended to convey is this widely heald idea that USAPAS DFR to the west is in any way subordinate to their ability to ratify a contract

 

[luvn737s]

Honestly I'm glad you and your representitives have taken this stance publically. The 9th stated in their decision that it is not likely that a contract with the NIC, as written, will pass a vote. It is the union's legitimate purpose to represent the pilot group to the company with the goal of a joint contract. That purpose cannot be acheived, at least not now, with the NIC in place. So, IMO, it is USAPA's "legitimate union purpose" to negotiate a joint contract that will pass a vote. You and your representitives have stated that you WILL NOT negotiate. Not now, not ever. You are not leaving much choice. IMO, USAPA would committing a DFR to NOT propose something that can pass a vote. Now you are on record stating that you will only support a contract proposal that, even in the opinion of the 9th, probably cannot pass.

This could get interesting.

Driver...

So is the court charged with determining legality and responsibility, or being contract psychics?

Don't be distracted so easily.

 

[Ames]

I don't believe that Parker totally rejected the USAPA DOH list. Due to the timing, he accepted the NIC,

breeze

It's good to see that someone from the east recognizes this. Parker accepted the Nic!