OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Keroseneuser]

So, at US Airways, you consider daddy getting you a job at 20 working your way up through the ranks? No wonder you guys have such an entitlement mentality.

I have noticed just the opposite. Pilots that are second generation, or third in some cases, have a unique appreciation of how the airline world works. They don't expect upgrades in 4 years, they don't let mergers worry them, they plan ahead financially for hard times in the industry and i have yet to hear one say "I should have been a Captain x number of years ago"

 

[Phoenix]

Begging for west cooperation is all you have now.

A Westie groveling to persuade the East that they need to beg the West for permission to move forward is hilarious irony. You are a hoot.

 

[Phoenix]

The east cannot be sincere in its overtures toward negotiating as long as DOH remains in the CB&L's. That's a fact.

Marty Harper is not negotiating for the west. He is simply telling your attorney the facts as he sees them.

Gary Hummell wrote a letter to John Scherff (west chairman) asking him to negotiate.

Can you handle the truth?

If you don't believe Hummell was sincere in changing USAPA's position why should I?

 

[Pi brat]

No. WTF?

SNL from the 70s. Try youtube.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Can someone please tell me where the term "legitimate union purpose" is found in accepted DFR standards? First time I heard it was from Wake, and now from Silver. I am asking.

Greeter

 

[Ames]

Harvard, Class of '79. I was hard being a teenager there, but I persevered.

So YOU earned your seat at AWA through thousands of hours. You think there were any pilots out there that were more qualified that didn't get hired? From your posts it's obvious that there are many more that are more intelligent.

Wow! Harvard! I guess a teenaged boy would be hard with all those smart, pretty girls around. Must have worked a lot of hours as a lineboy to pay that tab. So hard working, so motivated, so smart. Yet daddy had to get you a job and you feel entitled to take mine.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Just as we have seen how that wisdom worked for your merger committee back when negotiating was part of the process and afterward when the arbitrator told them to come off of their DOH demands.

It's a good thing we are doing this over. You are correct, it could have been handled better, by both sides. Remember though, the exact same warning was given to both parties during the PI/U merger, and that arbitrator came out with a DOH list.Greeter

 

[Ames]

Perhaps selling the west is truly the best option.

Go for it. I'm sure you are in a postion to make it happen.

 

[Ames]

If you don't believe Hummell was sincere in changing USAPA's position why should I?

Hummell can't change ucrapa's position without first changing the CB&L's. So, until he does that I have no reason to believe he is sincere.

 

[Zone5]

Parker seemed to imply, in the recent Crew News, that in addition to his legal team "analyzing" his options regarding Judge Silver's DJ Judgement, that they will wait as long as possible and likely file an appeal to the 9th District.

In as much as this process could take several more years to reach a conclusion, the company can effectively block resumption of contract negotiations with USAPA, continue to reap the benefits of our low pay and put the whole process of dealing with USAPA over the SLI disagreement on the back burner.

There is not going to be a CBA between the company and USAPA before the AMR merger thing plays out, period.

Depending upon how things are going with the merger, if further delay is necessary, so as to be able to focus on a possible hostel takeover if AMR emerges as a stand alone from bankruptcy, the company will drop the DJ appeal on the 9th in a heartbeat.

They will "kick the SLI can" further down the road and focus on consummating the merger.


seajay

 

[Ames]

It's a good thing we are doing this over. You are correct, it could have been handled better, by both sides. Remember though, the exact same warning was given to both parties during the PI/U merger, and that arbitrator came out with a DOH list.Greeter

We're not doing this thing over. Get that through your head.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Legal told the BPR that Judge Silver's ruling is now "Law." Any of the parties can go to that court and ask for a stay, that would put everything in stasis until the Appeal is over. But we are told it would be unlikely for Silver to grant such a request. Who really knows?

If the Company appeals, it might be a canary in a coal mine as to how the AMR merger is going. If they do appeal, it will go nowhere with the Ninth. They have already ruled on ripeness and thrown out Wake's proceedings. The Company knows they are not going to get immunity from any court on a future agreement.

Greeter

 

[luvthe9]

We're not doing this thing over. Get that through your head.

You are correct it's finished....DOH.

 

[Keroseneuser]

I think the company has gone over all this and intends to kick the can down the road as far as it will go. From recent statements they appear to be content to let PHX wither on the vine. they have enough excess now to let it go several more years with no hiring over there and still not affect any fleet mins or block hours. In the mean time they are content to hire on the east and seem to be telling the east new folks that they can expect rapid upward movement.

I figure with the wests stance of no compromise that the west furloughees that accepted east positions are going to upgrade before most of the west will. If the 5 to 7 years they seem to be telling the east newhires is correct, that is probably 3 to 5 years for the west transplant furloughees.

 

[Claxon]

Ouch.....

You do realize a slanderous defamation of character can carry harsh monetary penalties?

Welcome back. You should know about ramifications. The job action threat was the topper. Was that you in the crew news in the dress threatening Parker to his face? Call Chip, maybe he can get Cleary to help you out in Isoms' office.