OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

Dave will always have his rightful place on the seniority list- in about three years... Left seat A320.

So...In the event of a meger: What's the "rightful place" for those unfortunately still furloughed out west? Don't forget that they aren't personally "bringing a job"....Or that those furloughed have NO value whatsoever by west/nic "logic"....?

They wouldn't "bring a job", unless one decides to flash back a few years now and just pretend otherwise. Hmmm....Where's that "relatively" place both them and their furloughed APA counterparts in your perfectly "fair and equitable" little nic paradigm/fantasy?

How about those out in the overstaffed west that only maintain their current employment due to contractual limits?

Don't overly exert yourselves here, should such basic questions prove too difficult. After the last responses from the thread's west-brain trust; I'm hardly expecting more than predictably infantile gibberish in response.

 

[EastUS1]

Going to the east is not a recall.

Were they not furloughed? What's your definition of a recall?

 

[Move2CLT]

luvn737s, on 27 October 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

He is essentially a new hire ........."

East: "Should his supposed "seniority" reflect that? 😉 That whole Theory of Relative Seniority thing sometimes confuses me a bit"



Move2CLT: "Because you're too busy thumbing through that Dictionary for Windbags....."

It was predictably amusing that neither of you would have anything to offer in defense of what laughably passes for your very own, west/nic "logic" Thanks for the expected chuckles. 🙂

WTF are you talking about you old ####? We have no need to defend anything. The arbitrator spoke and no one gives a #### what you think is right or wrong.

 

[Move2CLT]

Were they not furloughed? What's your definition of a recall?

Its not going east to go work on LOA 93 - that's for sure.

Consider it a placeholder for the inevitable Nic integration and your stagnation.

 

[EastUS1]

We have no need to defend anything.

That's very convenient, since you obviously can't. You're a complete waste of time.

 

[cleardirect]

Were they not furloughed? What's your definition of a recall?

Usapa in collusion with the company and Ed Bular already answered your question. Usapa set the standard of what is a recall.

If you remember the east had furloughs that went to the west because we were still hiring at the time. Then when the company furloughed those same east pilots were going to get furlough. But Bular saved his boys and sent them back east using the excuse that taking a job on the west was not a recall.

So go talk to your boy Ed about what a recall is. A west pilot taking a job on the east is not a recall.

 

[Phoenix]

Were they not furloughed? What's your definition of a recall?

The West says that Nicolau implied that the company would probably "never" recall furloughed East pilots....

Doug Parker specifically said the company will probably "never" recall West pilots....

Indeed, a scenario that requires courts to afford a union a wide range of reasonableness... The courts win.

 

[cactusboy53]

....... How many more West pilots would be furloughed now if the company wasn't giving the West East flying? Placing furloughed pilots on the bottom of a list is an ALPA (you'll get yours someday) mentallity, it surely isn't in the spirit of true unionism.

Spike

Here's a question, Spikey: How many east pilots would have been unemployed if America West Holdings had not secured the financing to acquire US Air? ALL OF THEM.

This little nugget rose again courtesy of Tracy Parella's question to the interviewing investment banker last weeks BPR. She asked how close AAA was to exiting bankruptcy. The investment banker stated that AAA was NOT going to exit BK. I believe she countered to the contrary, and the investment banker reiterated that AAA was GOING OUT OF BUSINESS. There was no financing available to exit BK, according to the field expert.

Our furloughed west guys are such due to the actions (and inaction) of LCC upper management and USAPA. Had AAA NOT pulled away from the JNC table in 2007 (and voted in the "union" that promised DOH & a completed contract in 90 days), the Kirby Proposal (basically our contract) would have made furloughs unneeded. It's on you and LCC.

Yet another LOGIC vs. EMOTION argument. You might be better prepared for these discussions if you would first turn off the emotion key, and then read all legal documents entirely.

Please remember that while you out number us, we remain FIRMLY on legal, moral & ethical high ground.

SYIC-A (see you in court - again).

 

[prechilill]

America West Foolishly bets the farm...

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/travel/columnist/grossman/2005-05-23-grossman_x.htm

I especially liked this idea:


"Of course, America West could have another agenda for US Airways – liquidation. If America West gained control of the failing airline for a mere $100 million and then sold off the assets piece by piece, they could offload debt and eliminate unprofitable routes and duplicate resources. America West could essentially "cherry pick" the most profitable routes and assets, such as the shuttle or some international routes."


Then you little wonder kids out east could have taken your date of hire down to the Mecklenburg unemployment office and we all would have been better off.

 

[prechilill]

So...In the event of a meger: What's the "rightful place" for those unfortunately still furloughed out west?

Take a look at the Nicolau list, they are all above the name Monda... LOL

There's your answer old man!

 

[Phoenix]

Here's a question, Spikey: How many east pilots would have been unemployed if America West Holdings had not secured the financing to acquire US Air? ALL OF THEM.

This little nugget rose again courtesy of Tracy Parella's question to the interviewing investment banker last weeks BPR. She asked how close AAA was to exiting bankruptcy. The investment banker stated that AAA was NOT going to exit BK. I believe she countered to the contrary, and the investment banker reiterated that AAA was GOING OUT OF BUSINESS. There was no financing available to exit BK, according to the field expert.

Our furloughed west guys are such due to the actions (and inaction) of LCC upper management and USAPA. Had AAA NOT pulled away from the JNC table in 2007 (and voted in the "union" that promised DOH & a completed contract in 90 days), the Kirby Proposal (basically our contract) would have made furloughs unneeded. It's on you and LCC.

Yet another LOGIC vs. EMOTION argument. You might be better prepared for these discussions if you would first turn off the emotion key, and then read all legal documents entirely.

Please remember that while you out number us, we remain FIRMLY on legal, moral & ethical high ground.

SYIC-A (see you in court - again).

The South still has a large number of low education types that still nurse a little candle flame in hopes that the South will rise again one day, but even they don't think they will ever cash in on the Confederate bonds.

 

[Phoenix]

America West Foolishly bets the farm...

http://usatoday30.us...-grossman_x.htm

I especially liked this idea:


"Of course, America West could have another agenda for US Airways – liquidation. If America West gained control of the failing airline for a mere $100 million and then sold off the assets piece by piece, they could offload debt and eliminate unprofitable routes and duplicate resources. America West could essentially "cherry pick" the most profitable routes and assets, such as the shuttle or some international routes."


Then you little wonder kids out east could have taken your date of hire down to the Mecklenburg unemployment office and we all would have been better off.

The unprofitable routes... Parker talked about those in the last PHX crew news.

 

[prechilill]

The unprofitable routes... Parker talked about those in the last PHX crew news.

And you still believe him

 

[cleardirect]

Amazing how folks could advocate merging as a voluntarily furloughed pilot at the bottom of a stagnant list, rather than being active on a rapidly growing list.

What? They are going to use the east excuse. They are sacrificing to save the company.

Sounds kind of stupid doesn't it?

 

[luvthe9]

The unprofitable routes... Parker talked about those in the last PHX crew news.

I would not want to be a westie in PHX these days, I bet AMR has little use for a losing operation.