OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Metroyet]

Arbitration does NOT solve intra-union differences and it never will. Look at Hostess, the bakers walked out and put everyone else on the street. No arbitration there. George Nicolau was NOT a "fellow" judge. RLA arbitration is between the company and the employees...not between employees themselves.

The so called arbitration is nothing more than a proposal and that is why I firmly believe that we argue this matter in court in front of Silver....who, BTW did not favor your position. Remember, count II? Retread the judgment. The order (discussion) is dicta....save your breath.

You're beyond help. This perceived "injustice" will be haunting you to your early grave. Try, of you can, to not play stupid as Doug Parker does on a daily basis. You KNOW what the intent, risk, and consequences were when entering into final and binding arbitration. The only thing filling your utter void of integrity is the pure uncut backfill of bullshit you spew every 35 minutes on this board. A neutral arbitration panel, a neutral jury, and 5 neutral federal judges have all spelled this out for you. Without a LUP, you are violating the law. The Jury was in the best position to signal your fate. Did you choose to learn from it? Hell no. What LUP did they find? None. What is it exactly? Best of luck spelling it out again as you failed so completely the first time.

Was the Addington verdict "dicta"? Save your breath regarding dismissal. The ninth had a dissenting opinion, coupled with every other warning sign, a sane person could figure out that they were on a path of destruction. Not your side of course because you live in an alternate universe. The Company isn't stalling to save money, they know what you refuse to admit. Your poor career choices WILL NOT become the problems of either the West pilots or the liability of the Company.

BTW, what right do you think you have to speak on behalf of any of your constituents? You ran for office and they very democratically told you to go fk yourself. You were crushed in that election. Like Pat Robertson In the 80s. I guess you just feel ....Entitled...what a surprise.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Really! You want to use safety as criteria for seniority integration.

I agree. Let's go. Let's put the airline that crashed 5 in 5 years against the safest airline with NO fatal crashes. I would love to make that case.

Where you go off the beam id trying to equate time to safety. You guys do have more time yet are arguably the most unsafe.

When are you going to accept a recall to East?

 

[end_of_alpa]

You're beyond help. This perceived "injustice" will be haunting you to your early grave. Try, of you can, to not play stupid as Doug Parker does on a daily basis. You KNOW what the intent, risk, and consequences were when entering into final and binding arbitration. The only thing filling your utter void of integrity is the pure uncut backfill of bullshit you spew every 35 minutes on this board. A neutral arbitration panel, a neutral jury, and 5 neutral federal judges have all spelled this out for you. Without a LUP, you are violating the law. The Jury was in the best position to signal your fate. Did you choose to learn from it? Hell no. What LUP did they find? None. What is it exactly? Best of luck spelling it out again as you failed so completely the first time.

Was the Addington verdict "dicta"? Save your breath regarding dismissal. The ninth had a dissenting opinion, coupled with every other warning sign, a sane person could figure out that they were on a path of destruction. Not your side of course because you live in an alternate universe. The Company isn't stalling to save money, they know what you refuse to admit. Your poor career choices WILL NOT become the problems of either the West pilots or the liability of the Company.

BTW, what right do you think you have to speak on behalf of any of your constituents? You ran for office and they very democratically told you to go fk yourself. You were crushed in that election. Like Pat Robertson In the 80s. I guess you just feel ....Entitled...what a surprise.

Save your breath pilot wannabe person with no job. Even the west pilots don't listen to you. I pity you for having nothing better to do in life.

Go get a job. Not in the legal profession, however. A law firm wouldn't let you clean the bathroom with that legal analysis.

 

[luvthe9]

Bogus!

You in the PHX crew first red flag. Second Robert Isom in the PHX crew room. I have been here a long time and have NEVER seen Isom in the crew room, ever.

Exactly what chance did we have that he agreed with?

Whatever, he was doing something with the F/A's.

 

[cactusboy53]

Forgot to ask, do you need our SSN's as well?

No, but that didn't keep uncle Mike from making the accusations. Asked & answered. Have a great night!

Dave

 

[cleardirect]

When are you going to accept a recall to East?

I am not furloughed, not even close. Is that the only way you can justify this in your mind to think the only people that oppose DOH are extreme junior people?

Beside if you had any clue about contracts and legal language you would know that accepting a position east is not a recall. But then again you probably believed that working at MDA was a recall.

 

[cleardirect]

Whatever, he was doing something with the F/A's.

The F/A have a crew room in a different part of the airport.

Try again.

 

[Phoenix]

The F/A have a crew room in a different part of the airport.

Try again.

Are you suggesting he isn't allowed in that part of the airport?

 

[cleardirect]

Are you suggesting he isn't allowed in that part of the airport?

No slow student. If Isom was doing something with the F/A's he would be in their crew room not the pilots. He can show up in the pilot crew room if he wants but he never has as far as I know.

Plus if Isom had been hanging around talking to pilots someone would have posted it.

Or are you saying that for the first time Isom walked into the PHX crew room yet you were the only one there and talked to him about the seniority issue and he agreed with you. Talk about unlikely. Much more likely you are a liar and it never happened. Which has been proven several times that you are.

 

[cactusboy53]

Was in PHX crewroom the other day and Isom was there, more hiring than they had planned (only on the east) was mentioned, he seemed to agree the west had their chance to join in, to bad.

Major BS flag: while as a US FO, you might make your way downstairs, but for who you are - rarely welcome.

Always the LIAR, though. Who be you? Courtney? Come on, don't be a candy-butt. Step up and own your bad-self!

Dave

 

[Phoenix]

No slow student. If Isom was doing something with the F/A's he would be in their crew room not the pilots. He can show up in the pilot crew room if he wants but he never has as far as I know.

Plus if Isom had been hanging around talking to pilots someone would have posted it.

Or are you saying that for the first time Isom walked into the PHX crew room yet you were the only one there and talked to him about the seniority issue and he agreed with you. Talk about unlikely. Much more likely you are a liar and it never happened. Which has been proven several times that you are.

So you are saying 9 wasn't in the FA crew room?

 

[nycbusdriver]

Arbitration has ALWAYS solved intra union disputes. You east pilots just did not like the outcome of this particular one.

Arbitration is used with individuals.
Arbitration is used between corporations.
Arbitration is used in the court system.
Arbitration is used under RLA.
Arbitration is now federal law to resolve inter union seniority.

Arbitration is supposed to KEEP the union out of court. As we are learning going to court is very time consuming and expensive. Arbitration is designed to avoid that by ageeing to a process and living with the result.

You may be correct, but the courts (as the west has found out, since Addington was a west complaint) are still the final authority. Remember, it was the west who started the "time consuming and expensive" court odyssey. (Although the east ALPA MEC had already resorted to the court system to stop the Nicolau when the bargaining agent election dissolved the parties to that suit and made it moot.)

If the Nicolau arbitration indeed had the power of federal law behind the decision, the courts would not have heard any of these cases.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I am not furloughed, not even close. Is that the only way you can justify this in your mind to think the only people that oppose DOH are extreme junior people?

Beside if you had any clue about contracts and legal language you would know that accepting a position east is not a recall. But then again you probably believed that working at MDA was a recall.

It's obvious your legal education leaves a lot to be desired. Tell me, do you provide a lot of assistance to Posinelli?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Major BS flag: while as a US FO, you might make your way downstairs, but for who you are - rarely welcome.

Always the LIAR, though. Who be you? Courtney? Come on, don't be a candy-butt. Step up and own your bad-self!

Dave

Geesh, Dave. I've been in your crew room and I've always been welcome. Why would it matter if he was? He is the COO, you know. Maybe he wants to talk to the Chief Pilot?

 

[Claxon]

As all pilots would...at least those directly affected. That is why it is properly left to experienced neutrals...Like Nicholau and his fellow arbitrators. Even fellow neutral Judge Silver deferred to him...as in her statement regarding arbitration by a neutral to be powerful evidence of a fair outcome.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean its not fair. Silver also mentioned that she doesn't care whether you like it or not.

I'm quite comfortable with leaving it to the neutrals...arbitrators or Judges. It is certainly beyond the capability of pilots to decide or dictate.

Nice spin in your favor regarding Judge Silver's ruling in favor of USAPA.
As far as the "neutral" arbitrators;

"arbitrator George Nicolau to mediate and then arbitrate the seniority ... Jim Brucia, a Continental Pilot for the East and Steve Gillen, a United pilot are "neutrals" ... the Union Operating Manual required ALPA to remain neutral in the seniority ..."

US Airways was in informal talks with United about a possible merger, United at the same time was talking to Continental. The Rice committee investigating the Nicolau was headed by Paul Rice, ALPA VP and United pilot. John Prater, president of ALPA and Continental pilot handed over the list.

Brucia who backed longevity and Gillen slotting are now on their respective merger committees with Continental and United advocating the opposite of what they felt in the Nicolau.