PHL LECP double dipping just like predecessor?

[NoMoreKoolAid]

I have been lurking this thread. I can't believe it was started only a few days ago and has spread like wildfire! This is crazy! I wasn't even going to post anything because I had decided not to add any fuel to the fire but I can't keep quiet any longer so here goes. First of all, I am ashamed that all of you would sit here and hypothesize, speculate, and publicly accuse our LECP of all sorts of horrible things. I have spoken to JM and it is no secret that he did fly at the end of December. So what? I seriously don't get what the big deal is. It's not like he is doing it to pull the wool over our eyes and stick his tongue out and shout "Ha! Ha! Ha!" It's not like he is consistently overflying each and every month instead of making himself available to help us out. As I recall, he had not worked a trip at all since he was instated in office until the end of December. Also, any time I have needed JM's help he has always been available to help me out, which is usually after normal office hours. If I call him and he can't pick up, like if he is talking to someone else, then he immediately returns my phone call. If I email him with a problem, then he promptly replies. He has always helped me out when I needed his help, no matter what time of the day or night it was.


Flightchic

PS - John in a nice guy and while some of you may see that as a negative I find it nice to actually have someone be friendly after having to deal with rude people all day at work. Also, just because he is nice doesn't mean he can't fight and win a battle.

PSS - I am sure there will be people who will flame me and let me know really quick that if I don't like this thread that I don't have to read and participate and you are right because after I send this message I won't be reading it anymore. I'm sure I will also get flamed for taking up for him. Whatever. I really don't care. I just couldn't keep my mouth shut any longer. I simply do not condone all the slander and gossip that is going on in this thread and I had to say something. That's all.

WOW! Some reply. Let me get this straight over flying is over flying right? To have the AFA LECP violate the contract is doesn't set well with me. When the company was screwing flight crews around during the holiday our fearless leader was out of the country. Trust me I am sure he needs a break from the office, but to fly 3 International trips in a row? Come on now. And did he still collect the 105hrs from AFA?

 

[NoMoreKoolAid]

Seems to me that during that entire week, sick calls were out of control, with crew scheduling calling people who were off to fly.
I dont care if it was an ETB trip, JM was out there flying. Some of you people on here need to just give it a rest already.

Sorry Allegheny I cant let this go...Its the company fault that there wasn't enough coverage! It's not a big surprise that there would have been a lot of sick calls legal or not.
In the same breath you know as well the company was screwing with crews during the same time. That's when you need your officials ready to stand in. He was gone a whole week out of the office!

 

[etops1]

if you guys really want to know the truth then go to the office and ask jm himself. they have an open door policy. you guys are on here spreading crap you don't know is true about people. it happens on here all the time. stop talking about people behind the damn keyboard. if you have an issue with the person confront them. i am no big fan of jm myself as phl lecp,(i like him as a f/a he is a nice guy and a good f/a) but making negative accusations about him or someone else for that matter without knowing the facts is not cool. call him or go visit the office . we all talk about each other on these boards but when we are together on a layover it's all hunkydory. i am sick of it. i will be going to mad today if anyone has something to say to me.

 

[aredeeyou22]

HERE ARE THE FACTS:

1) John flew MUC on Dec. 23; BRU on Dec. 27 and MXP on Dec. 31. Notice he worked on Saturdays, Sundays and Holidays.

2) He has only flown a total of nine (9) trips in the eleven (11) months he has been in office. All nine trips were ETB, so whatever list he may be on, it's a mistake. There is no company time flying, therefore, no over flying. Duh! How are nine trips in eleven months excessive when it's not even an average of one trip a month?

5) Election time is right around the corner, so I guess it's time to start saying whatever someone wants without asking for the facts.

6) Even when John is on a trip, he takes a laptop and telephone with him on the road to check on problems in PHL and there is an immediate response, thanks to a man who knows how to use technology not just for entertainment, but for the greater good of F/A who are in need.

OK, a couple points:

First, let me say that I have had contact with JM, and agree that he is a nice guy. Here's what I have a problem with:

You mean to tell me that on Dec 24th, when I was being reassigned, being threatened by scheduling with "Refusal to fly" when I was exhausted, the operation was FALLING APART, and reserves were being abused like CRAZY, JM was sitting in a BEER GARDEN in MUC? Lovetofly, were you aware that this was going on, or were you done flying your block by the 13th of December? All through the holidays, staffing was out of control, and JM should not have been boppin' around MUC and BRU while I was being reassigned twice on the 24th and twice on the 25th. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. Check it out if you don't believe me.

You say he worked Sat, Sun, and Holidays? Sorry, the 24th was a Monday, and ACCORDING TO MY CONTRACT, the 24th is not a holiday, the 25th is. Keep trying.....

If indeed the LECP is receiving 105FPL, there is NO REASON why they should be flying ETB's. Go to Europe on your vacation for pleasure. This is a full time position, and should be treated as such. This is not a matter of the ETB flying being "against the rules", it is a matter of responsibility to your members.

Did JM have his laptop with him at the beer garden in MUC on the 24th, when I was being reassigned, FOUR TIMES in 2 days, interrupting my rest twice?? Or, instead, was he out "talking and being visible to the membership?" Give me a break!

And, don't give me the "they were so short; he was helping out" line either, Allegheny Vista...... That is the Company's problem, not the unions.

I have NO agenda here, I don't plan on running, and I don't have anyone to endorse (YET). I am calling it like I see it, and I see an LECP who chose to fly at least 9 days, out of the country, during the busiest time at our airline, when it's most junior members were being screwed six ways from Sunday. Nice guy or not.

Deny it.

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

OK, a couple points:

First, let me say that I have had contact with JM, and agree that he is a nice guy. Here's what I have a problem with:

You mean to tell me that on Dec 24th, when I was being reassigned, being threatened by scheduling with "Refusal to fly" when I was exhausted, the operation was FALLING APART, and reserves were being abused like CRAZY, JM was sitting in a BEER GARDEN in MUC? Lovetofly, were you aware that this was going on, or were you done flying your block by the 13th of December? All through the holidays, staffing was out of control, and JM should not have been boppin' around MUC and BRU while I was being reassigned twice on the 24th and twice on the 25th. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. Check it out if you don't believe me.

You say he worked Sat, Sun, and Holidays? Sorry, the 24th was a Monday, and ACCORDING TO MY CONTRACT, the 24th is not a holiday, the 25th is. Keep trying.....

If indeed the LECP is receiving 105FPL, there is NO REASON why they should be flying ETB's. Go to Europe on your vacation for pleasure. This is a full time position, and should be treated as such. This is not a matter of the ETB flying being "against the rules", it is a matter of responsibility to your members.

Did JM have his laptop with him at the beer garden in MUC on the 24th, when I was being reassigned, FOUR TIMES in 2 days, interrupting my rest twice?? Or, instead, was he out "talking and being visible to the membership?" Give me a break!

And, don't give me the "they were so short; he was helping out" line either, Allegheny Vista...... That is the Company's problem, not the unions.

I have NO agenda here, I don't plan on running, and I don't have anyone to endorse (YET). I am calling it like I see it, and I see an LECP who chose to fly at least 9 days, out of the country, during the busiest time at our airline, when it's most junior members were being screwed six ways from Sunday. Nice guy or not.

Deny it.

Is this the same Aredeeyou22 that staunchly defended the last bunch?

 

[Travelpro72]

I am so sick and tired of someone telling a poster who WANTS answers and is not satisfied to RUN FOR OFFICE. I have not run for office nor would I. That does NOT discredit the fact that someone who DID run and WAS elected is being questioned. WHY is it that NOBODY can answer the question that Pitbull asked. If JM is not "red circled" to 105 is he being paid 105 or NOT. It's a simple answer. Do we ALL have to call the office? Why can't that information be posted here.

 

[Travelpro72]

*****CRICKETS***** Well I guess the phone lines in the office are burning. Well if ya get a second to whip that laptop out feel free to let us know the answer to the 105-108 question. 😉 *****CRICKETS*****

 

[NoMoreKoolAid]

OK, a couple points:

First, let me say that I have had contact with JM, and agree that he is a nice guy. Here's what I have a problem with:

You mean to tell me that on Dec 24th, when I was being reassigned, being threatened by scheduling with "Refusal to fly" when I was exhausted, the operation was FALLING APART, and reserves were being abused like CRAZY, JM was sitting in a BEER GARDEN in MUC? Lovetofly, were you aware that this was going on, or were you done flying your block by the 13th of December? All through the holidays, staffing was out of control, and JM should not have been boppin' around MUC and BRU while I was being reassigned twice on the 24th and twice on the 25th. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. Check it out if you don't believe me.

You say he worked Sat, Sun, and Holidays? Sorry, the 24th was a Monday, and ACCORDING TO MY CONTRACT, the 24th is not a holiday, the 25th is. Keep trying.....

If indeed the LECP is receiving 105FPL, there is NO REASON why they should be flying ETB's. Go to Europe on your vacation for pleasure. This is a full time position, and should be treated as such. This is not a matter of the ETB flying being "against the rules", it is a matter of responsibility to your members.

Did JM have his laptop with him at the beer garden in MUC on the 24th, when I was being reassigned, FOUR TIMES in 2 days, interrupting my rest twice?? Or, instead, was he out "talking and being visible to the membership?" Give me a break!

And, don't give me the "they were so short; he was helping out" line either, Allegheny Vista...... That is the Company's problem, not the unions.

I have NO agenda here, I don't plan on running, and I don't have anyone to endorse (YET). I am calling it like I see it, and I see an LECP who chose to fly at least 9 days, out of the country, during the busiest time at our airline, when it's most junior members were being screwed six ways from Sunday. Nice guy or not.

Deny it.

GREAT POST Aredeeyou22!

 

[aredeeyou22]

Is this the same Aredeeyou22 that staunchly defended the last bunch?

Defended who? I made sure I was at every meeting to recall LA. I promoted TG because I thought she would be a great asset for the local.

Re-check your facts, and get back to me.

Funny how history repeats itself.

 

[PITbull]

I have been lurking this thread. I can't believe it was started only a few days ago and has spread like wildfire! This is crazy! I wasn't even going to post anything because I had decided not to add any fuel to the fire but I can't keep quiet any longer so here goes. First of all, I am ashamed that all of you would sit here and hypothesize, speculate, and publicly accuse our LECP of all sorts of horrible things. I have spoken to JM and it is no secret that he did fly at the end of December. So what? I
Flightchic

PS - John in a nice guy and while some of you may see that as a negative I find it nice to actually have someone be friendly after having to deal with rude people all day at work. Also, just because he is nice doesn't mean he can't fight and win a battle.

PSS - I am sure there will be people who will flame me and let me know really quick that if I don't like this thread that I don't have to read and participate and you are right because after I send this message I won't be reading it anymore. I'm sure I will also get flamed for taking up for him. Whatever. I really don't care. I just couldn't keep my mouth shut any longer. I simply do not condone all the slander and gossip that is going on in this thread and I had to say something. That's all.

Obviously, you have entered into the arena of "snowed" victims. He's conned you right between the eyes.

Just because one is not President of the United States doesn't mean they cannot judge by the job they are doing or not doing. Sorry, Charlie girl, union work is hard and should be when your represent other interest than your own...that's the way it should be. But the "dog" is benefiting by collecting AFA company fpl or AFA dues $$ that exceeds his block hours. No other flight attendant can fly that accept on ETB.

He has violated the contract if what Andy and others have investigated is true.

No need to speak to the Spinster McCorkey...he just needs to write a news letter and reveal his total flight pay loss for the past 6 months, and also post his line so that the f/as can view for themselves if he has collected more than his line permits. He was not "red cirlcled" in 2005, perhaps he didn't want to fly 105 as a reserve at the time because he was a commuter. He can't now all of a sudden because he's a union rep, decide to be "fathered" in the group. If he doesn't like it...quit.

If the Company got involved in permitting this than they bought they guy...yes your President, Mr. nice guy. (since when). :down:

The MEC members will be informed and they will investigate. This is a contractual issue and if the company allowed this payment (as they review the fpl for all union reps, than an MEC grievance should be filed on behalf of the f/as for this egregeous violation of the contract.

 

[PITbull]

I think the original point of this thread was to point out that the current leadership in PHL is doing what the former leadership was forced into resigning for doing. It wasn't that long ago that the PHL membership was up in arms over Ms. A collecting 105 AFA and flying ETB Europe on the weekends. It wasn't okay then, it shouldn't be okay now.

Someone posted that Mr. M has only flown 9 ETB trips since taking office. One a month is not excessive, 3 in one month is unacceptable. Especially when they are all international trips. Is he sitting on the ETB board while in the AFA office waiting for someone to post them? You'd have to be on there like a dog to grab it. I'd be more likely to believe someone is passing them to him. It was mentioned that it was ETB time so that it didn't come off AIL, can he hold a 4 day international trip at his seniority off the AIL? He is taking PPO block so that a block can be given to someone else. How commentable, however that ETB time IS still being taken away from someone who isn't getting 105 hours of pay oh excuse me 108.

McCorkey should not be entitled to 105 or 108 of flight pay, I don't care if he's in the office every damn day. NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE WHO WAS NOT RED CIRCLED IN BY MAY OF 2005 CANNOT COLLECT 105 OF ANY TYPE OF COMPANY TIME, NO ONE CAN EXCEED THEIR LINE TIME UNLESS BY ETB. PERIOD.

Some needs to check if he is getting paid AFA Co. fpl or from the AFA dues budget bank 105. That is a violation of the contract. Grievance needs to be filed immediately if this is the case. John needs to prove that he is NOT doing this by posting it and providing to the MEC is fpl (which the MEC Sec. Treas should have). Post it to his members.

This is the first step of this process.

If he doesn't furnish this to the members, (just as Laura wouldn't cause she felt she didn't have to) do not reelect this sneaky, kniving, self serving ingrate!

 

[PITbull]

My "Little Birdie" Informs me that your wayward LEC President can be found in the office well into the evening and in base a great deal. Whether he "double dips" or not the "birdie" doesn't speak.

This person would be in a position to know and they don't much care for him but fair is fair. At least that is what was told to me. Take it for what it's worth.

Your Birdie is not telling you everything. The issue now is not whether he's in the office daily...its if he is collecting 105 from either union or company. There is no line of flying in PHL that is worth 105, the guy was not redcircled in in 2005, and it was a one time offer back then. No f/a can fly 105 unless on ETB. The pay would show a distinction between the two.

If he is collecting this he has violated the contract and is stuffing his pocket with union dues $$ to reach the 105 than exceeding even this amout through ETB. Laura was already red circled in before she took office July of 2005, and COULD collect 105 international pay, but McCorkey NEVER was and cannot be fathered in just because he is an LECP.

 

[PITbull]

if you guys really want to know the truth then go to the office and ask jm himself. they have an open door policy. you guys are on here spreading crap you don't know is true about people. it happens on here all the time. stop talking about people behind the damn keyboard. if you have an issue with the person confront them. i am no big fan of jm myself as phl lecp,(i like him as a f/a he is a nice guy and a good f/a) but making negative accusations about him or someone else for that matter without knowing the facts is not cool. call him or go visit the office . we all talk about each other on these boards but when we are together on a layover it's all hunkydory. i am sick of it. i will be going to mad today if anyone has something to say to me.

The guy is not permitted to be paid any company or union $$ 105. Period. Its aviolation of the contract.

YOu missed the issue and the MEC now needs to investigate this issue and stop it. In the meantime the guy needs voted out. He asked for this last year for the MECP to get him grandfathered in at 105, and the MEC went nuts and said the MECP better not do this as it is a violation.

Well, from the sounds of what's been posted, he's collecting it. So Cindi must have bought the guy.

Great job pHL, once again for voting in a loser.

 

[PITbull]

OK, a couple points:

First, let me say that I have had contact with JM, and agree that he is a nice guy. Here's what I have a problem with:

You mean to tell me that on Dec 24th, when I was being reassigned, being threatened by scheduling with "Refusal to fly" when I was exhausted, the operation was FALLING APART, and reserves were being abused like CRAZY, JM was sitting in a BEER GARDEN in MUC? Lovetofly, were you aware that this was going on, or were you done flying your block by the 13th of December? All through the holidays, staffing was out of control, and JM should not have been boppin' around MUC and BRU while I was being reassigned twice on the 24th and twice on the 25th. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. Check it out if you don't believe me.

You say he worked Sat, Sun, and Holidays? Sorry, the 24th was a Monday, and ACCORDING TO MY CONTRACT, the 24th is not a holiday, the 25th is. Keep trying.....

If indeed the LECP is receiving 105FPL, there is NO REASON why they should be flying ETB's. Go to Europe on your vacation for pleasure. This is a full time position, and should be treated as such. This is not a matter of the ETB flying being "against the rules", it is a matter of responsibility to your members.

Did JM have his laptop with him at the beer garden in MUC on the 24th, when I was being reassigned, FOUR TIMES in 2 days, interrupting my rest twice?? Or, instead, was he out "talking and being visible to the membership?" Give me a break!

And, don't give me the "they were so short; he was helping out" line either, Allegheny Vista...... That is the Company's problem, not the unions.

I have NO agenda here, I don't plan on running, and I don't have anyone to endorse (YET). I am calling it like I see it, and I see an LECP who chose to fly at least 9 days, out of the country, during the busiest time at our airline, when it's most junior members were being screwed six ways from Sunday. Nice guy or not.

Deny it.

Add this to your list, he's in violation of the contract if he is receiving 105 or 108 either from company AFA flight pay loss or union dues. A f/a can only fly or get paid what their line is worth. They cannot exceed it unless they are "redcircled" and that was offered one time basis in 2005,. No union rep can do this either. NONE! I know for a fact, I had the list and McCorkey was not on it. He was a Reserve at the time and commuted and probably didn't want to obligate himself at 105 and probably was still on dependability.

I do know that McCorkey brought the idea of him collecting 105 at one of the MEC meetings and asked the MECP to approach Cindi on the issue. I do know that the MEC members protested and said that was a violation and the MECP COULD NOT do this.

So, it better not be some secret deal behind closed doors with the company to give this guy a winfall so they can control him. If he is doing this he is not only receiving at least 20 plus hours more than a line f/a but is receiving International pay on top. Then on top of all this contractual illegality, he is acting inappropriately by taking ETB from other f/as and stuffing his pocket with this perk all the while professing how hard the job is and that he is working daily.. yeah sure with a few calls on the phone.

He's sitting under the radar...bring him out in the open!

Vote him out!

Its an outrage.

 

[N965VJ]

<SNIP> JM cannot use crew rooms at the airport to hold meetings. The company will fire him!

Who said anything about holding meetings in the PHL crew room?