Pilot Labor Thread for the week 4/19-4/26

[ableoneable]

asked on the qtr earnings report...

. WHAT ROUTE INTENTIONS ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR THE A330 BEING DELIVERED TO THE WEST.
A. There are no A330s being delivered to the West.

No there are not, nor have any been planned through 2009.

Why the glee?

 

[sharktooth]

Son, crack kills. Your reality is pure FANTASY. Besides, 7800 UAL pilots won't like your little "Hey, what do you guys think of DOH??" play.

Who is saying DOH for UAL/US?

Urban story a few years back: AAA pilot enters flight deck of a UAL aircraft and asks what a DOH of 1983 could hold. The UAL captain politely replied "My (single male anotomical appendage), if you're lucky!!"

anotomical? and, wasn't the Captain a female? In other news, in the mid 1990s, an '89 hire held a 76 capt in ORD.

ALPA's back in less than a year! Maybe you can blame them for something else.

Wow, from you won't get 200 cards to yet another prediction. Keep it up, you are bound to get it right, sometime.

 

[PHLfa88]

Who was that WHINEY 757 F/O? We On the East are VERY SICK of Hearing The West WHINE!! My Question to her is... Did you enjoy Spending Your PROFIT SHARE CHECK!!! :down:

 

[Crzipilot]

Was there glee in that comment???? No.... Though there was lots of glee from the west side talking about their LOA for 330 flying and how they were going to fly them etc etc etc..... Was just posting a question and answer that was on the web cast. there was speculation that 330's might goto phx. Well that sort of answers the question. I think further down it said that they may be able to do PHX-Europe LHR after 2009, with the -200's and if they can get a LHR slot for it, in addition to CLT.

 

[LSS]

Yes they do, for their own pilots. But DOH has nothing to do with combining those two lists. Now that USAPA is the bargaining agent they actually have less flexibility then ALPA would have had in dealing with the combined list. ALPA had a little room to jerk the list around as it was generated under their policies.

Now that USAPA has inherited all of the previous associations agreements they are frozen in their present form.

Like it or not you will one day fly under the Nicolau list.

If there is another merger it will just accelerate the process.

There are "agreements", then there are Contract Agreements, which generally call for pilot ratification (unless your union is ALPA, who has selectively decided what gets sent out for pilot ratification and what does not). Obviously anything written as part of "The Contract" stands, however, there are questions as to the "transition agreement", made between two mergering carriers, both represented by ALPA as to whether that stands or falls. We can all speculate til the end of time, but only time will tell. Regardless of who ultimately ends up being right or wrong... that's not the point. The point is if this pilot group in its entirety doesn't come together and present a united front, I personally think we'll all be handed our heads by a larger carrier, aided and abetted by Parker... Both sides can speculate the outcome of a future merger, the sentiments of aligning behind ALPA or an in house union... but the fact is, it is speculation, pure and simple.

Don't think for one millisecond that the company (Parker) gives a rats ass about us, and our little "union" squabbles... he only cares about himself and secondly the shareholders... 330's not going to Phoenix... he will put them where he perceives it will add to the bottom line... The west pilots have no control over Parker and what he decides to do with air frames, the same as the East... we have never, collectively, ever had a say over anything as to the running of this company, and there have been many who have contributed great ideas as to improvements... Not surprisingly, management has turned a deaf ear to us...

 

[EastUS]

You are definitely delusional.

Meanwhile..back at the ranch. 767 has recently posted:

"No one wants to touch the train wreck Parker created."
"And besides all this, a UA/CO merger mostly has the support of the employees, where a UA/US merger would be a bigger mess than US/AWA."
"Ridiculous! Merger will be between CO & UA."


"Actually, you have no idea how wrong you are. No one has any grief about a pilot with less longevity holding a higher seat, if that is the seat he came to the table with." No doubt in my mind. The entire group of UAL's thousands of pilots are of identical mind in this..even those who have actual time, and aren't but 767 FO's...no doubt......speaking of delusional

"So IF UA were to purchase USAirways (which it won't, but for this discussion we'll go with it...) , under your rules it really doesn't matter what you get via "US law." Heck, you can have DOH. We will just negotiate a contract that brings the AWA pilots back where they belong based on the Nicolau award," SURE you all would...for WHAT possible purpose? 😉 "and staple you guys into your narrow body airplanes FOREVER. Of course the handful of A330 guys would be free to stay there as well. We'd make sure of that through fences with restrictions ala USAPA."

"and fences and restrictions that protects everyone's flying and effectively contains US pilots to their narrowbodied airplanes and handful of 330's, until the last East pilot retires"

"under your rules it really doesn't matter what you get via "US law."...."But as everyone is well aware, now we will actually see what holds up in court and what doesn't." Yep 😉

A point of minor curiosity..Given that you've got everything so well figured out in advance, and all contingencies perfectly covered (even if the pesky details continually change within your postings)...ummm..why/how would any of this make for: "UA/US merger would be a bigger mess than US/AWA." ? 😉

I'm personally content to see how things unfold in reality. All present can always find material to scrap over.

 

[PHLfa88]

There are "agreements", then there are Contract Agreements, which generally call for pilot ratification (unless your union is ALPA, who has selectively decided what gets sent out for pilot ratification and what does not). Obviously anything written as part of "The Contract" stands, however, there are questions as to the "transition agreement", made between two mergering carriers, both represented by ALPA as to whether that stands or falls. We can all speculate til the end of time, but only time will tell. Regardless of who ultimately ends up being right or wrong... that's not the point. The point is if this pilot group in its entirety doesn't come together and present a united front, I personally think we'll all be handed our heads by a larger carrier, aided and abetted by Parker... Both sides can speculate the outcome of a future merger, the sentiments of aligning behind ALPA or an in house union... but the fact is, it is speculation, pure and simple.

Don't think for one millisecond that the company (Parker) gives a rats ass about us, and our little "union" squabbles... he only cares about himself and secondly the shareholders... 330's not going to Phoenix... he will put them where he perceives it will add to the bottom line... The west pilots have no control over Parker and what he decides to do with air frames, the same as the East... we have never, collectively, ever had a say over anything as to the running of this company, and there have been many who have contributed great ideas as to improvements... Not surprisingly, management has turned a deaf ear to us...

Please Spare Us !! Ya'll Brought It Upon Yourselves!! Greed Is Greed!! Go USAPA!!

 

[Leonidas]

"we were presented with the seniority list, we have accepted it, it transfers to a new union."

- Al H.

Company webcast 4/24/08. Available on the hub.

 

[sharktooth]

"we were presented with the seniority list, we have accepted it, it transfers to a new union."

- Al H.

Company webcast 4/24/08. Available on the hub.

Not without a separately ratified merger agreement. Good luck with that.

 

[767jetz]

...ummm..why/how would any of this make for: "UA/US merger would be a bigger mess than US/AWA." ? 😉

ummm... because we already went down this road in 2000. All it will take is one of your self righteous, self entitled pilots to utter the words "so send me your 747 manuals" again and WW III will commence. You guys are as predictable as you are misguided.

 

[Schultz]

"we were presented with the seniority list, we have accepted it, it transfers to a new union."

- Al H.

Company webcast 4/24/08. Available on the hub.

Untill the judge in the MidAtlantic case throws the whole list out!

 

[ableoneable]

Untill the judge in the MidAtlantic case throws the whole list out!

I would not pin my hopes on the MidAtlantic case. It's a loser.

 

[Schultz]

I would not pin my hopes on the MidAtlantic case. It's a loser.

Time will tell.

 

[ableoneable]

Time will tell.

Actually it should not take much time.

Even if the courts accept the case it will certainly fail on its lack of merit.

The MDA pilots did not bring equivalent seats to the party. They were furloughed in every sense of the word.

Even the east pilot neutral had no quarrel with that determination.

 

[Schultz]

It actually should not take much time.

Even if the courts accept the case it will certainly fail on it lack of merit.

Your right it won't take much time. The case has already been accepted and discovery started.

The MDA pilots did not bring equivalent seats to the party. They were furloughed in every sense of the word.

They were active pilots at the time of the announcement.

Even the east pilot neutral had no quarrel with that determination.

Might want to read his transcript.