So it is your option that the majority of EAST wants FCFS? You may want to rethink that. Because wants the majority wants is what’s best for the company.. Lets take a poll/vote
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No need for a poll. If you will go back and read the post that I responded to, you will see that I was addressing easts supposed feeling of entitlement. How you formulated what you believe to be my opinion from my response is beyond me.
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Sorry. I thought the topic was about FCFS/Seniority
As a west employee who always supported fcfs, I'm leaning a little bit toward seniority now. It really is not right for some new hire, who may quit after 3 months anyway to bump someone from a flight who has been around for 20 plus years. The only problem with seniority stand-by, is you never know where you stand. With FCFS, you know you're 4th on the list for example.
Where do retirees fit in the seniority boarding? Are they behind current employees, or at the same level?
Where do retirees fit in the seniority boarding? Are they behind current employees, or at the same level?
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it's coming directly from gate agents that just completed the "Shares" integration training. Heard it from 3 different stations during weekend trip.
All that would have to happen is to enforce the check in time rule with the senority system. I'm really not quite sure what is the actual time limit, but make it the same as a paying passenger. That will stop the 30+ yr employee checking in for a flight 15min prior to dept and bumping those who have been there for an hour.
As for the retirees, they board behind any active employee. In my opinion that is absolutely wrong!!! Been bumped many times by high time retirees, some who gave 40+ years to the company. Have no problem with that....they earned it!!!
I agree with the 1st paragraph. No side will be happy regardless of which system is imposed. What would be the concensus of employees using Senority up to the final hour before scheduled departure then FCFS thereafter, stopping the 30+ yr employee checking in 15 minutes prior to departure bumping those who have been there for an hour?
Just thinking out loud..Personally, I am against FCFS = no internet = no check in. Senority up to 1 hr before departure...thoughts?
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No!! It is a privilege earned by years of dedicated service. The "Me" generation does not operate under such a concept ...... hence the controversy!
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This has been hashed out so many times. The company will make it's choice and everyone will deal with it. I can see why a more senior person would feel entitled while I also can see why a more junior person feels that this is a company "benefit" that should be shared on an equal playing field for ALL. At least for f/a's don't you get more vacation, better days off, a BLOCK, better pay and oh yeah a bigger profit sharing check than your reserves? I don't care which way it goes. And YES it's a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE percent of folks that commute that have a problem with FCFS. Again, let it ride and deal with it. Both sides have a valid point in one area or the other.
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The company poll resulted in 80% voting for DOH.
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First come first served, its fair and its the right thing to do.
You all have your seniority for bidding, FCFS is for everyone else.
Its not hard to plan ahead.
You all have your seniority for bidding, FCFS is for everyone else.
Its not hard to plan ahead.
Lots being done the east way ..except for Shares, many computer programs used are coming from the east.
Oh yeah, that makes perfect sense, make the customers suffer because you're not happy with the way you get to travel for free.
It's not like your flight benefits are being taken away. If DOH is chosen, I won't be thrilled but will LIVE WITH IT and not complain.
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Actually, for the most part, it is all about commuters. US has been around for so much longer. During that time, the company has closed multiple bases in multiple cities. Particuarly the west coast. Those people are some of the most senior so, since all the pay cuts, they fly international. International flying makes it nearly impossible to list for the FCFS system within the 12 hour window on the return of a trip from Europe. While I am not advocating for either system (especially since I am on the bottom of the seniority list) I can understand that there are just somethings you earn over time. Non rev based upon seniority is one of them.
First, I respectfully disagree that nonreving is something you earn over time. I think that it, like medical benefits, are given to all employees and all employees should have equal access to them. But, that's something that people on different sides will always disagree on.
Second, there's an easy solution to the FCFS check in for commuters: have someone check you in! The web check-in portion of Compass is separate from the ETC. When you sign onto the ETC< you can only make listings for yourself or people on your benefits. However, when you go to the web check-in portion, you can check in people on ANY non-rev PNR> A commuter without internet access could easily have any employee check them in for a flight from the web.
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