Seniority for non- revs lost?
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USCREW
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It's fantastic.sky high states: It is "officially".....DATE OF HIRE.
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Agreed.
Westies better start saving your money for airline tickets, 'cause you ain't going nowhere on standby with your seniority! 😀
soc-hpjester
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YOU GOT THAT RIGHT, THERE GOES MY VACATION TO KAUAI.
NOW IF I CAN ONLY GOT ON THE EAST COAST PAY SCALE
NOW IF I CAN ONLY GOT ON THE EAST COAST PAY SCALE
USCREW
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I commuted for the first seven years from PIT-HNL. I did it by DOH from coast to coast. It was fair every time. I never begrudged a more senior employee or RETIREE. It's civilized, and the right way to go.
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I commuted for the first seven years from PIT-HNL. I did it by DOH from coast to coast. It was fair every time. I never begrudged a more senior employee or RETIREE. It's civilized, and the right way to go.
Do any airlines give priority to commuters? When we first got jumpseat, you could book your j/s going TO work 3 days in advance, but going home FROM work 2 days in advance. I'm not sure if it's the same still, but people going to work got priority. Maybe they could do the same for commuters non-revving?
USCREW
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I don't know of one, but I know that the commuting priority has been hashed-out on here. I personally do not believe in a priority for those who choose to live out of base. Who's to say that one type of non-rev travelling is more important than another?
False. It's not as bad as you might think. You will notice little or no change! If the flight is oversold, chances are you won't board, just like your old system. It really is not that big of a deal. Never really been an issue, and I only have 11 years.... Trust me...
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I commuted from LAS to PHL with 9 years and can count on one hand how many times I really couldn't make it. It's not that bad. I don't think anything is full proof.
Well I also had an Experience where as Senority was played with a little. I had a Dependent traveling alone get called before me. Now I only have 1982 Senority so it does happen, but I noticed the person they gave the seat to was not even 25 years old, so I questioned it. Needless to say his father listed for the flight with the same name but the dependent checked in via a kiosk and sailed thru unnoticed until I questioned it. And I only questioned it because I was trying to get onto a Dash and they always have restictions. We both did make the flight.
Wahoooooooo!!!
Dear US Airways Employee,
Today, after more than a year of suggestions, opinions, debate -- and a certain amount of soul-searching -- we’re at last announcing a new non-rev boarding priority policy that moves all employees to a seniority-based system. Clearly this was one of the hardest decisions we’ve had to address since the merger, primarily because it is so emotional and there is no right or wrong answer. A case could be made for seniority or first come/first serve and there is equal passion from employees on both sides of this issue. At the end of the day, we have tried to make a good decision for all of our employees given the history of both former airlines.
The new system goes into effect in early March (at the same time we migrate to the US SHARES reservation system.) Here’s how it will work
It starts with priority code...
Then year of hire...
…and finally time of check-in.
In other words, SA1 priority will board first. Within the SA1 class, employees will board based on the year they were hired. For employees who were hired in the same year, time of check in will dictate who boards first. (Note: Employees can check in 12 hours prior to flight time via the online Employee Travel Center or four hours at the airport. Employees can also check in online up to one hour prior to flight time or 30 minutes at the airport, although our airport employees would appreciate employees checking in earlier -- 60 minutes or more).
Today’s announcement represents a change for all employees, given that the current system on the East side uses year, month and date of hire. The Shares system, however, does not sort by day-of-hire – the closest it can get right now is seniority by year. The good news is that we have research on about 100 flights last year that showed there was virtually no difference between year of hire versus date of hire in terms of who actually got on the plane.
So we next looked at questions of fairness – fully aware that “fair†is in the eyes of the beholder. We gave a lot of weight to the fact that 20,000 of our employees worked for years in a seniority-based system. It just didn’t seem right to simply take that away given the pay cuts, lost pensions, etc. that have occurred over the years. Also, many employees on the former US Airways side now must commute to work given the city they used to live in no longer has a job for them. It’s not as simple as picking up one’s family to start over every few years. These employees commute to work and rely on the seniority-based system to enable their ongoing employment with our company.
We realize these reasons may ring hollow to the former America West employees – we know full well how much you have given and how many of you commute as well. In conjunction with today’s announced decision, we will also be providing one additional SA1P pass to all active and retired employees going forward. It is our hope that this will provide additional opportunities for non-rev travel when you really need to get somewhere – a benefit that is still terrific for all of us.
In the coming days and weeks, we will continue to communicate this method in our usual ways -- AboutUS, and as it gets closer, US Daily and US News Now. Today, we are also sending a US News Now and a Q&A that may answer questions you might have, and provide more insight as to how we came about this decision. Please keep an eye on awaCompass and theHub for details as well.
We’ve attached an FAQ that we think will be helpful to you. Please send e-mails to row23middle@usairways.com if you have other questions or comments.
We’d like to thank everyone who offered constructive, useful, thoughtful feedback that helped guide us in this decision. Again, I realize today’s announcement isn’t news that will be well received by everyone, but I do hope you can empathize with the difficulty in making this decision and that we can all accept it as the fairest way to move past this decision and towards our continued successful future.
Thanks!!!
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Performance would be great, but as long as there are unions that exist to shield the underperforming, it will never ever happen!
As for me, I'm a retiree, with 19 years seniority as of this week, I already plan my flying knowing that I am SA4P, at least this should put me above most of the family members flying without the employee.
I do wish the HP people got more out of this (Don't you know how long we suffered!!!---I've always wanted to say that, just so I could pretend I was an Eastie) 😀
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First off, let me say that you are indeed certifiable.
Secondly, I was curious as to how the poster was degrading his/her profession.
and Third, you have no idea where I stand on issue, so piss off.
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