Sorry! No Sympathy Here

[flymeorion]

Just a question from an outsider. Are all 3 NYC airports a different base. When I was based in NYC a couple of years ago I thought that NYC was pretty junior. My next neighbor had 13-14 years and flew London during the weeks. Have things changed that much.

Good luck. Reserve sucks. After 15 years I went from having no reserve to having to fly 3-6 days on reserve which sounds like nothing but after 7 yrs of holding a line it's been tough. Whenever you don't have control of your schedule it's hard.

 

[FA Mikey]

Just a question from an outsider. Are all 3 NYC airports a different base.

One international and One domestic base covering 3 airports.

 

[AAStew]

Just a question from an outsider. Are all 3 NYC airports a different base. When I was based in NYC a couple of years ago I thought that NYC was pretty junior. My next neighbor had 13-14 years and flew London during the weeks. Have things changed that much.

Good luck. Reserve sucks. After 15 years I went from having no reserve to having to fly 3-6 days on reserve which sounds like nothing but after 7 yrs of holding a line it's been tough. Whenever you don't have control of your schedule it's hard.

Things have changed enormously. I am at 17 years and am on reserve at JFK. I can hold London, but that really isn't considered a great trip.
I am hoping we have some reserve reform eventually. I heard some airline, not sure which one has the lower 70% of the systemwide seniority list serve approximately 5 days reserve every month. I am willing to do that until the day I retire. It would make life much easier. I know there are many who will cry foul if that ever happens. We will see...

 

[IORFA]

I think that is how Delta does it. I would also go for that, but agree that it would be a hard sell to some.

 

[jimntx]

I think that is how Delta does it. I would also go for that, but agree that it would be a hard sell to some.

Just a quick perusal of the DFW and IDF base rosters provided the following infotrivia.

If only the top 30% of the DFW-D roster were completely free of reserve, then a f/a with 20 years would be serving some reserve every month. Interestingly, that's not much of an increase because for this month (usually the worst for reserves), the most senior person on reserve will have 18 years in February. However, I know people at DFW who are absolutely virulent on the subject of serving ANY reserve, any time, any where. I talked with one while I was jumpseating back to Dallas one day who said that if she had to go back on reserve at all she would quit! And, she was still on the backup reserve list at DFW.

At IDF, the most senior person serving some reserve every month would have 31 years. I don't know how this relates to their current reserve because when I looked at the IDF bidsheet on-line, the page with the December reserve list was missing. The reserve lines were there, but not the list of people on reserve this month.

Correction: It must have been a temporary glitch. I went back and looked at the IDF bidsheet again. Warning! Firestorm approaching if only top 30% of IDF were free of reserve. For this month, the most senior person on reserve in IDF only has 17 years! If reserve went up to 31 years, even for 5 days a month, it would cause a nuclear explosion in the vicinity of Useless Blvd.

 

[Garfield1966]

I have been through a merger or two at US, and DOH has always prevailed, at least for the FA's. Why not at AA? Pride? Indifference?

They, like most want to protect what they have. I know that in Crew Skd I was bumped down about 5 or 6 slots when the TW folks came over. On the management side, they got DOH. It hacked quite a few people off (actually pretty much every one). I was not directly affected de to I bid for a desk far below what my seniority would normally hold but I do see their point. Actually, it does affect me. When I bid VC, I cannot hold what I would have been able to.

And, absent DOH, why not keep them on an indefinite furlough list, as US did after 9/11? I am confused about the expiration of furlough...... What did AA have to lose?

Money boy, it’s all about money. The TW FA’s tend to be senior and AA does not want to hire them back on at full pay and benefits when if they can last till 2008 when the last furloughs expire, we can hire off the street and pay substantially less. Right or wring is a matter of personal view but when the economy is as tight as it is, every penny counts.

 

[flymeorion]

I think that is how Delta does it. I would also go for that, but agree that it would be a hard sell to some.

Pretty much that's how we do it and it's been pretty hard for us because you had some people who had commuted around the system to avoid reserve, like myself, only to realize that there's no place else you can run and reserve is going to be a part of the rest of your career at your airlines.

 

[flymeorion]

Things have changed enormously. I am at 17 years and am on reserve at JFK. I can hold London, but that really isn't considered a great trip.
I am hoping we have some reserve reform eventually. I heard some airline, not sure which one has the lower 70% of the systemwide seniority list serve approximately 5 days reserve every month. I am willing to do that until the day I retire. It would make life much easier. I know there are many who will cry foul if that ever happens. We will see...

So is reserve by choice?

 

[AAStew]

So is reserve by choice?

😛 NO!

I reiterate that I would be willing to serve reserve such as Delta's until my retiremnt day. I know alot of flight attendants at my seniority who would love this also. I commute and it would be much easier on my wallet and my family to only have to sit in New York a few days a month as opposed to a full month.
I can't believe the reserve list is that junior at DFW, I thought it went much higher.

 

[jimntx]

I can't believe the reserve list is that junior at DFW, I thought it went much higher.

Me, either. If I were a bettin' man, I would have said that reserve at DFW-D would go at least to 20 years in December. However, I do know that there have been 20 or so hardship transfers to DFW of people even junior to me (and that's hard to do). Maybe all the more junior people got bumped to December reserve rotation from other rotations.

 

[FurloughedByAPFA]

From AAStew "I am at 17 years and am on reserve at JFK"

Let me pass on a little advice that an AA f/a gave me:

Be thankful that you have a job. :bleh:

 

[czerny]

My classmate from 2001-07(furloughee number 77) saw THB at LGA as she walked off a Cleveland flight and my friend reminded her that THB has done nothing, absolutely NOTHING for the juniors. THB's(Tommie Hutto-Blake) response was,"Hang on in there". Furloughed fa(currently flying exhausting schedules at Eagle) snapped, "I've been hanging on for three years!"

Furloughees are not a priority for Tommie. Neither my friend nor I voted for her, so we don't feel guilty for putting her in office, but for every line fa at AA that picks up Option II, and flies as a "fake speaker" on the PVG route, there is no need for a recall.
I'm afraid we will all have to reinterview for the job, go through probation all over again in 2 yrs. I for one, am willing to do it.And yes, I will be flying on Christmas Day and New Year's. Holidays don't mean anything to me so I'm ok with it. And yes, I don't have a problem with reserve. AA's reserve is still better than at Continental where interviewees were told it could take up to 10 yrs of straight reserve in EWR.

Call me back and I'll gladly sit reserve in December and/or any holiday.

 

[s80dude]

My classmate from 2001-07(furloughee number 77) saw THB at LGA as she walked off a Cleveland flight and my friend reminded her that THB has done nothing, absolutely NOTHING for the juniors. THB's(Tommie Hutto-Blake) response was,"Hang on in there". Furloughed fa(currently flying exhausting schedules at Eagle) snapped, "I've been hanging on for three years!"

Furloughees are not a priority for Tommie. Neither my friend nor I voted for her, so we don't feel guilty for putting her in office, but for every line fa at AA that picks up Option II, and flies as a "fake speaker" on the PVG route, there is no need for a recall.
I'm afraid we will all have to reinterview for the job, go through probation all over again in 2 yrs. I for one, am willing to do it.And yes, I will be flying on Christmas Day and New Year's. Holidays don't mean anything to me so I'm ok with it. And yes, I don't have a problem with reserve. AA's reserve is still better than at Continental where interviewees were told it could take up to 10 yrs of straight reserve in EWR.

Call me back and I'll gladly sit reserve in December and/or any holiday.

How are fake speakers preventing a recall? AA cannot recall out of seniority order, so even if they needed CM speakers, they would have to make due with the current pool of active flight attendants.

 

[IORFA]

Granted I don't fly PVG that often, but I have, and I have not seen nor heard about your rumor about "fake speakers".

 

[Nor'Easta]

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Recall rights expire in 2008.
You are not a Jacka$$ for asking.

The one you're speaking of would have dropped of the recall list in November 2006. If they were furliughed in November 2001 with 5 year recall rights that comes to November 2006. 🙄

I think that is how Delta does it. I would also go for that, but agree that it would be a hard sell to some.

Yes, that is Delta. They call them "A-days." A-days are they days you sit reserve.