Thank You To Whom Ever Made This Merger Possible

[FA Mikey]

Traderjack

Its too late. UAL found this out. At the time of an announced merger, the current policy is in effect. It would take a while to descertify a union. Its too late at this point.

As far as our AA imposters, there is NO fighting you and I care not to debate your bu!!####!! You can not be convinced..and frankly, I could give a good GD!! I know what the reality is. I did NOT call Lakefield a leader. I gave him credit for his financial leadership. You guys are sooo obssessed with US that it's laughable so keep your nonsense. Frankly, your obsession is weird at least...juvenile at most!! Those that know the reality really could care less. BTW, how much money has AA MADE in the last 4 years...huh??!! You are NO better off than US. You can point to one or two people ALL you want, but you continue to bleed money. Go conquer AA'S WORLD. GOD KNOWS THEY NEED IT. I am sure you two will have some know-it-all wise ass response probably supported by Mr Bill. I could give a damn!!

[post="275892"][/post]​

Must doing something better than U. Didnt file bankruptcy 2 times in 2 years. Havent lost our pensions, in fact AA is currently making payments in to the plan and up to date. We havent had to take government back loans just to survive. Havent lost nearly as much as U and we have had a quartly profit since 911. Have U.

For all your, I dont care about AA and its people. You sure spend a lot of time and posts saying so.

 

[FlyUs]

Must doing something better than U. Didnt file bankruptcy 2 times in 2 years. Havent lost our pensions, in fact AA is currently making payments in to the plan and up to date. We havent had to take government back loans just to survive. Havent lost nearly as much as U and we have had a quartly profit since 911. Have U.

For all your, I dont care about AA and its people. You sure spend a lot of time and posts saying so.

[post="275941"][/post]​

yet...

 

[Us/boston]

Must doing something better than U. Didnt file bankruptcy 2 times in 2 years. Havent lost our pensions, in fact AA is currently making payments in to the plan and up to date. We havent had to take government back loans just to survive. Havent lost nearly as much as U and we have had a quartly profit since 911. Have U.

For all your, I dont care about AA and its people. You sure spend a lot of time and posts saying so.

[post="275941"][/post]​

Have to admit bankruptcy sucks but I would rather go in first than last. Good luck AA. Your gonna need it.

 

[autofixer]

I saw Crandel on CNBC (I think) today and he said refering to AMR and the Legacy carriers , [The LCCs do not have pensions, so for the legacy carriers, the "pensions would have to go one way or the other"]. So according to him, either you will negotiate it away or it will vanish in CH 11. Bethune was on TV making the rounds saying the same thing. It is a sad state of affairs.

 

[firstamendment]

I believe you are wrong.  There is time to decertify AFA and I think the bankruptcy judge also may have a say in this matter.

As a USAirways employee your desire to reap a windfall at the expense of the HP FA/s in despicable.

[post="275940"][/post]​

Traderjack

We went through this with United. Again, another stab at making the US Airways employee the bad guy. The bankruptcy judge cannot decertify a union. He can assist the squeezing of every dime from a union, but not decertify.

There is no windfall here and I find it despicable of you to make comments on issues you apparently know NOTHING about. If the shoe were on the other foot, US would still honor the bylaws of the AFA. God knows we have done just that THREE other times. You also fail to read the part in my posting about the importance of fences. You read into what you wanted. That's what many from other carriers LOVE to do.

Might I remind you that because of the AFA bylaws, 200 or so former Eastern Airline/ Trump Shuttle f/as were given their DOH senority from EAL. Did I like it? Not really, but I honored a bylaw that may work for or against me,but got over it. WHERE, FOR GOD'S SAKE, was my windfall THERE?

Let me ask all of you a question. What if, say Jetblue, got a couple -five billions in financial backing and decided to buy United or AA, keeps the larger airline's name, but keeps the JB management and owning controlling interest? What answer would you all have about senority THEN?? Would you feel as comfortable with 6 year f/as going ahead of 30 year AA or UA f/as?

Just take a moment and think about it. I can't WAIT to here the justifications that will come from the other carriers. Oh I forgot, AWA is saving US. You people crack me up. 🙄

 

[eolesen]

Let me ask all of you a question. What if, say Jetblue, got a couple -five billions in financial backing and decided to buy United or AA, keeps the larger airline's name, but keeps the JB management and owning controlling interest? What answer would you all have about senority THEN?? Would you feel as comfortable with 6 year f/as going ahead of 30 year AA or UA f/as?

[post="276208"][/post]​

I'd expect most people to be OK with that, if for no other reason than because the number of B6 employees who'd fall above the AA or UA employees is only about 10-15% of the combined employee population, if that.

Being cut down by 10-15% is a lot less of an impact than being displaced by 60-85%.

 

[firstamendment]

I'd expect most people to be OK with that, if for no other reason than because the number of B6 employees who'd fall above the AA or UA employees is only about 10-15% of the combined employee population, if that. 

Being cut down by 10-15% is a lot less of an impact than being displaced by 60-85%.

[post="276252"][/post]​

Yeah, right. Kind of like that small percentage of TWA f/a''s.

 

[Us/boston]

I'd expect most people to be OK with that, if for no other reason than because the number of B6 employees who'd fall above the AA or UA employees is only about 10-15% of the combined employee population, if that.

Being cut down by 10-15% is a lot less of an impact than being displaced by 60-85%.

[post="276252"][/post]​

Ok try this one. 2 Years from now after a good fight AA management finally wears you down by cutting your workforce by 30%. They take most of your benefits and say they want to copy the New Usairways contract (the merger has been finalized and things are going ok for U). Then the New U makes a play for a much weakend AA. They agree to merge and call the new co American Airlines. The New U decides to staple all AA employees to the bottom and lay off an additional 20%. Will you allow this without any fight because this has been your policy in the past? As far as I can see this should be ok with AA employees.

 

[eolesen]

Ok try this one. 2 Years from now after a good fight AA management finally wears you down by cutting your workforce by 30%. They take most of your benefits and say they want to copy the New Usairways contract (the merger has been finalized and things are going ok for U). Then the New U makes a play for a much weakend AA. They agree to merge and call the new co American Airlines.

Uh, isn't that's more or less what's happening at US?

HP successfully reinvented itself and now has made a play along with AC and Airbus, with the backroom approval of the ATSB and GE.

The New U decides to staple all AA employees to the bottom and lay off an additional 20%. Will you allow this without any fight because this has been your policy in the past? As far as I can see this should be ok with AA employees.

[post="276309"][/post]​

All I can say is

1) To the victor goes the spoils...

2) The past practices of an incompetent management team are really irrellevent when you're under new management.

 

[Us/boston]

Uh, isn't that's more or less what's happening at US?

HP successfully reinvented itself and now has made a play along with AC and Airbus, with the backroom approval of the ATSB and GE.
All I can say is

1) To the victor goes the spoils...

2) The past practices of an incompetent management team are really irrellevent when you're under new management.

[post="276310"][/post]​

Yes I just wanted to hear AA employees say outloud that if however unlikely AA were to go into bankruptsy and were to be merged into another carrier and if they continued to call it American Airlines that it would be ok to staple all AA employees to the bottom of the New American Airlines. By your comment "To the victor goes the spoils" I will take that as a yes it would be ok with you.

 

[traderjake]

"Let me ask all of you a question. What if, say Jetblue, got a couple -five billions in financial backing and decided to buy United or AA, keeps the larger airline's name, but keeps the JB management and owning controlling interest? What answer would you all have about senority THEN?? Would you feel as comfortable with 6 year f/as going ahead of 30 year AA or UA f/as?"

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Absolutely. There is a difference between longevity and seniority. If one are one number from being furloughed before the merger you should be one number after the merger. If you are at 50% before you should be at 50% after the merger. DOH is a windfall for the US F/As.

I didn't say the bankruptcy judge could decertify AFA. He can force changes to your contract. The AW F/As need to decertify AFA.

If you believe there is another investor waiting to bail US out if this merger fails, then you are truely mentally challenged.

 

[Us/boston]

"Let me ask all of you a question. What if, say Jetblue, got a couple -five billions in financial backing and decided to buy United or AA, keeps the larger airline's name, but keeps the JB management and owning controlling interest? What answer would you all have about senority THEN?? Would you feel as comfortable with 6 year f/as going ahead of 30 year AA or UA f/as?"

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The AW F/As need to decertify AFA.

I believe it is to late for that. There are many AFA carriers out there. You all know that had the UA/U merger gone through it would have been date of hire. Every AFA carrier has had plenty of time since then to decertify the union. I suggest that if any of you feel this part of the union contract is unfair that you start decertifying AFA now. Consolidation of most carriers is just around the corner.

 

[Travelpro72]

You got that right. All of the sudden the bi-laws mean nothing. They are written and there for a reason. If all of the afa carriers are not happy with it then YES it's time to decertify. It's not HP's fault they are more junior and it's not US's fault that they are more senior. You don't just change laws because they don't seem favorable all of the sudden. Question..... If HP were to NOT merge with US then who would they prefer. I am in no way an airline expert but it is going to be someone. They made a few dollars and are far from out of the woods. Their own turn around as fragile as it was was just a short time ago. We are both in fragile states. Together the two will be much further ahead of the rest of the carriers in many ways. That being said, it's two fragile carriers forming a much stronger carrier and the bi-laws should be followed.

 

[firstamendment]

"Let me ask all of you a question. What if, say Jetblue, got a couple -five billions in financial backing and decided to buy United or AA, keeps the larger airline's name, but keeps the JB management and owning controlling interest? What answer would you all have about senority THEN?? Would you feel as comfortable with 6 year f/as going ahead of 30 year AA or UA f/as?"

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Absolutely. There is a difference between longevity and seniority. If one are one number from being furloughed before the merger you should be one number after the merger. If you are at 50% before you should be at 50% after the merger. DOH is a windfall for the US F/As.

I didn't say the bankruptcy judge could decertify AFA. He can force changes to your contract. The AW F/As need to decertify AFA.

If you believe there is another investor waiting to bail US out if this merger fails, then you are truely mentally challenged.

[post="276324"][/post]​

That statement is as tired as the AA obssesed posters out there. Lakefield has been instrumental in raisnig financial backer, which trumps AWA's 41% state hold. This merger , while providing a "windfall: for US, is for the survivibilty of BOTH airlines. You can believe what you want.

 

[FA Mikey]

That statement is as tired as the AA obssesed posters out there. Lakefield has been instrumental in raisnig financial backer, which trumps AWA's 41% state hold. This merger , while providing a "windfall: for US, is for the survivibilty of BOTH airlines. You can believe what you want.

[post="276666"][/post]​

LOL because HP was teetering on the edge of oblivion. HP can and will do fine. Bringing U into the equation brings down there survivability. Only one of these two carriers was on a daily death watch.