The Amazing Shrinking Airline

[700UW]

The 757s do not have an aging aircraft maintenance requirement, they get an annual HMV visit, nothing extra ordinary is done to them unless something is found.

610 was the first brand new 757 from Boeing US recieved, remember we paid for it "Ideas that Fly".

610 was built in 1993, as was 612 which is getting a new tail# according to the FAA Database to 928UW, doubt they would re-register it if it was going back to the lessor and 617 was also built in 1993.

 

[a320av8r]

The 757s do not have an aging aircraft maintenance requirement, they get an annual HMV visit, nothing extra ordinary is done to them unless something is found.

610 was the first brand new 757 from Boeing US recieved, remember we paid for it "Ideas that Fly".

610 was built in 1993, as was 612 which is getting a new tail# according to the FAA Database to 928UW, doubt they would re-register it if it was going back to the lessor and 617 was also built in 1993.

Why does everybody assume our 757's are all older aircraft. You're right, the only used ones we had were 600-609 and 618, the rest were from the factory. 600-609 from the desert and 618 was a former EAL/AWA aircraft we got from America West during their bankruptcy but it is gone now.

 

[USA320Pilot]

"In a subsequent conversation between Captain Stephan and Captain Bular (US Airways' vice president of flight operations) he told the MEC chairman the three aircraft scheduled for removal are being recalled by the lessors because they apparently can get better than market rates for these aircraft."

USA320Pilot: The comment above are Stephan and Bular words, not mine.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[Hawkhunter]

"In a subsequent conversation between Captain Stephan and Captain Bular (US Airways' vice president of flight operations) he told the MEC chairman the three aircraft scheduled for removal are being recalled by the lessors because they apparently can get better than market rates for these aircraft."

USA320Pilot: The comment above are Stephan and Bular words, not mine.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

So will the West share with half the reductions as well? Or, do they just want half of our so called growth?

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

So will the West share with half the reductions as well? Or, do they just want half of our so called growth?

The west is down six aircraft from the transition agreement plan.

 

[BoeingBoy]

The west is down six aircraft from the transition agreement plan.

Just curious, is that the net loss of 6 planes envisioned in the transition agreement fleet plan or the loss of 6 planes beyond the 6 in the fleet plan (for a net loss of 12)?

Not trying to start anything - the TA fleet plan & language covering "new" planes is settled and arguing about what's fair or not is useless at this point, as far as I'm concerned. I really am just curious about what's happening with the West fleet since the minimum fleet count will be established once and for all (or as close as anything gets to being "final" in this company) in 1-1/2 months.

Jim

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Just curious, is that the net loss of 6 planes envisioned in the transition agreement fleet plan or the loss of 6 planes beyond the 6 in the fleet plan (for a net loss of 12)?

Not trying to start anything - the TA fleet plan & language covering "new" planes is settled and arguing about what's fair or not is useless at this point, as far as I'm concerned. I really am just curious about what's happening with the West fleet since the minimum fleet count will be established once and for all (or as close as anything gets to being "final" in this company) in 1-1/2 months.

Jim

It is a loss of 6 beyond those envisioned in the TA fleet plan. It seemed like every time we went to work there was word of another 737 lease not being renewed. Its my understanding that the original plan was for 140 and these days we are at 134. Someday, somehow all this will come out in the wash.

 

[USA320Pilot]

According to AWA ALPA MEC Chairman JR Baker, "Three B757s on the East are going away the first quarter of 2007. Six of nine aircraft were renegotiated with the lessor; however, the lessor apparently did not want to renegotiate for three 757 aircraft and simply called them back. This shows how tight the used aircraft market is currently. The company continues to look for replacement aircraft."

"At the quarterly Labor Coalition Meeting, senior management informed us that they will embark on a six-month program to look at ordering 60 to 100 airplanes from Boeing and/or Airbus to replace older B737s/757s and A320s/319s whose leases end within the next five years. The order is expected be a replacement order as the mainline fleet plan seems flat for some time," Baker said.

USA320Pilot comments: If my memeory serves me correctly US Airways has a post bankruptcy order for 30 A320 family aircraft with deliveries scheduled to begin in 2008.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[BoeingBoy]

2009

Jim

 

[Ardenian]

USA320Pilot comments: If my memeory serves me correctly US Airways has a post bankruptcy order for 30 A320 family aircraft with deliveries scheduled to begin in 2008.

2009

Thanks for blowing him up, BoeingBoy!
He cannot help but twist the facts, even when it doesn't matter!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Probably an honest mistake....

"Airbus has also agreed to reschedule 30 narrow-body A320-family aircraft deliveries from the 2006 to 2010 period to the 2009 to 2010 period, which represented the combined commitment of AWA and US Airways prior to the merger."

I suspect that the problem (if any) with finding replacements will not be finding airplanes but finding airplanes at a price the company is willing to pay - as in the case of these 3 757's.

Jim

 

[USA320Pilot]

BoeingBoy:

Thanks for taking the time to research the previous Airbus order and the effective dates. If my memory serves me correctly, the order was rescheduled and was delayed one-year, but I had forgetten the exact year.

I agree with your suspicion on the B757s. It is my understanding that three B757s are all EOW aircraft and they're newer/have less cycles than almost all the West B757's. Moreover, the aircraft will be removed from service during the first two months of 2007 during the peak Carribean winter travel season.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[BoeingBoy]

Actually, I wasn't clear at all (the phrase "clear as mud" comes to mind)....

There should be no problem finding 737/A320-series airplanes - either manufacturer should have delivery positions available and the big leasors have lots on order that'll need placing with airlines. The only question is price.

The 757's are something of a different story. With none being produced, the available supply is limited. As shown by the 3 apparently going back to the leasor, it appears we're not willing to pay as much as some other's. Put limited supply together with looking for a "good price" and you get difficulty finding good 757's.

Jim

 

[algflyr]

Thanks for blowing him up, BoeingBoy!
He cannot help but twist the facts, even when it doesn't matter!

Come on now, i doubt he was trying to twist the facts. He qualified it as "if my memory serves me correctly". and BoeingBoy made a simple correction...

 

[a320av8r]

Actually, I wasn't clear at all (the phrase "clear as mud" comes to mind)....

There should be no problem finding 737/A320-series airplanes - either manufacturer should have delivery positions available and the big leasors have lots on order that'll need placing with airlines. The only question is price.

The 757's are something of a different story. With none being produced, the available supply is limited. As shown by the 3 apparently going back to the leasor, it appears we're not willing to pay as much as some other's. Put limited supply together with looking for a "good price" and you get difficulty finding good 757's.

Jim

...And the 737/A320's pay less.