The word is spreading....

[Seatacus]

Is sitting around watching the clouds go by going to accomplish anything?

That's my point....at the end of the day you pretty much accomplish the same thing. But I suppose that the protest makes you feel like you have done something even though it won't matter.

 

[barbeetantrums]

Does/did MAPPER work in conjunction with SHARES
And if you know so much answer the question???????

SHARES and MAPPER are two totally different systems and not even connected.

 

[john john]

SHARES and MAPPER are two totally different systems and not even connected.

Who owns MAPPER? when/where did HP get it?
Does Continental use MAPPER?

I'm really sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about, so I'd suggest stopping now.

There's no such thing as MAPPER SHARES.

Think of it this way...
Critical MAPPER is a program used by America West for load planning, delay coding, cargo load message sending, etc. etc....most everything below the wing.

The two systems not talk to each other with this info?

 

[freedom]

That's my point....at the end of the day you pretty much accomplish the same thing. But I suppose that the protest makes you feel like you have done something even though it won't matter.

Sometimes before you can really act you need to FEEL like you can act .... look at me , before the protest i wasn't all that motivated or hopefull as to our prospects , now i'm a new man ... The protest did have a visable impact in our town of tempe and it's not the ONLY thing we have in store ..... Think of this as the opening day's of "OPERATION ROLLING THUNDER "

Now is the summer of our discontent .

 

[jerseyfinn]

I can understand the labor angst as US is indeed leaving the unions & employees to duke it out amongst themselves while continuing to play the take away game-- just had a conversation about that with a FA on a flight this weekend. It's a tough position to be in.

. . . First of all , neither i nor any other employee of us airways has said we will in anyway mistreat the customers or their luggage . (such actions would be unethical) . . . What i was trying to say is that i and most of my fellow workers will no longer go ABOVE AND BEYOND (except when safety is an issue ), a term most of you will soon be familar with ... i'm just going to do my job ...

Look. I emphasize with employee exasperation. But I'm telling you right now that the mood out here amongst elites and ordinary pax regarding US is not good. And I mean this in a sense above and beyond the usual problems and negative issues that the consumer automatically associates with US Air. There's always been a negative mindset of lower expectations towards US. But recent operational events have reached above and beyond what the public usually accepts as expected US Air performance.

Perhaps folks do have the best of intentions. But too many of us are all too familiar with past labor shennigans at PHL and the ripple effect upon luggage and other aspects of customer service. If this kind of stuff starts happening again, it ain't gonna be business as usual this time. For a myriad of reasons, US is on everybodys sh*t list and service disruptions or service drop offs will be the last straw for many folks, even here in PHL where US is a logical ( though often involuntary ) choice to fly.

My wife and I just had a great experience PHL-PBI-PHL last week. But if labor dealings begin impacting service, I'm not so sure that we'll put up with it this time. We understand your situation, but we too are growing tired of the excuses and problems with US.

Wishing you the best, but be careful what you wish for. Things have really changed out here amongst your customers.

Barry

 

[freedom]

I can understand the labor angst as US is indeed leaving the unions & employees to duke it out amongst themselves while continuing to play the take away game-- just had a conversation about that with a FA on a flight this weekend. It's a tough position to be in.

. . . First of all , neither i nor any other employee of us airways has said we will in anyway mistreat the customers or their luggage . (such actions would be unethical) . . . What i was trying to say is that i and most of my fellow workers will no longer go ABOVE AND BEYOND (except when safety is an issue ), a term most of you will soon be familar with ... i'm just going to do my job ...

Look. I emphasize with employee exasperation. But I'm telling you right now that the mood out here amongst elites and ordinary pax regarding US is not good. And I mean this in a sense above and beyond the usual problems and negative issues that the consumer automatically associates with US Air. There's always been a negative mindset of lower expectations towards US. But recent operational events have reached above and beyond what the public usually accepts as expected US Air performance.

Perhaps folks do have the best of intentions. But too many of us are all too familiar with past labor shennigans at PHL and the ripple effect upon luggage and other aspects of customer service. If this kind of stuff starts happening again, it ain't gonna be business as usual this time. For a myriad of reasons, US is on everybodys sh*t list and service disruptions or service drop offs will be the last straw for many folks, even here in PHL where US is a logical ( though often involuntary ) choice to fly.

My wife and I just had a great experience PHL-PBI-PHL last week. But if labor dealings begin impacting service, I'm not so sure that we'll put up with it this time. We understand your situation, but we too are growing tired of the excuses and problems with US.

Wishing you the best, but be careful what you wish for. Things have really changed out here amongst your customers.

Barry

No offence to you dear coustmer , but i could careless if certain people in the general public swear they will NEVER fly us again . I've already talked to MANY people who have told me their horror stories ... so sad .... now before when i was a happy worker i would have appoligized and told them that's not how we do bussiness , and i would have ment it too ... now i keep my mouth shut as they foreswear us ... I'm so pissed at the down right INJUSTICE of this company that i will see it DRIVEN INTO LIQUIDATION!!! before i give up , we in the WEST aka former america west employee's are being treated in an UNJUST fashion ....... I will no longer tolerate ameircan's being #### on ... E plurbus UNIUM!

 

[FenixFlyer3]

just to update PHX flyer, in LAS a grievance was filed on section 1C1 and wants to be expidited per section 1D of the TWU contract on what this training endures. No you will not be planning your own FLT someone from the EAST will be planning your FLT. In LAS and all Field Stations each TL/ loadmaster plans their own FLT. BY assinging an EAST employee to do the west work is a direct violation of our contract and must be expideted to arbitration within 30 days. hopefully the IAM will fight for WEST.

Wow excellent point. And yes, I'm sorry, I incorrectly stated that the TL's will be planning flights... CLP (in Pittsburgh) will plan the flights and send the information to the new kiosks they're going to install in the jetway (theres one at B13 if you haven't seen it yet).

I'll keep my fingers crossed for IAM but I don't know...

 

[FenixFlyer3]

Who owns MAPPER? when/where did HP get it?
Does Continental use MAPPER?
The two systems not talk to each other with this info?

HP owns Critical MAPPER. From what I understand, it was developed specifically for HP.

I don't know if Continental uses MAPPER or not but I highly doubt it since they have their own way of doing things...

And no, QIK/SHARES and MAPPER do not talk to each other as they're two seperate applications. Here's an example...

A west loadmaster planning a flight looks in QIK at the PBT and the number of bags checked in and figures a ratio of how many bags to plan on loading. The loadmaster then opens MAPPER and fills out a load plan using the estimated bag count and PBT and sometimes splits the bag count between the forward and aft bins to make the plane balance. When the flight is ready to go, the loadmaster enters the final bag/passenger count and prints a trim. The trim has all of the information the flightdeck needs to plug into the FMC as far as the weight & balance of the aircraft. Once the flight has departed, the loadmaster/ops person/load planning (in PHX) sends a cargo load message (CLM) to the next station letting them know whats on the aircraft and where.

However...once CLP starts planning all of the flights from PIT, MAPPER will be replaced by Sabre's DECS program for all flights.

 

[freedom]

Hey i just had a thought on how to shead medi coverage and focus the attention of EVERY worker in side of HQ in tempe ... What's the one thing that makes media coverage EVERYDAY without fail ? TRAFFIC! I had vision's of doing a sit in at HQ , but THAT would result in my termination , so why not sit somewhere i can't be terminated , yet obstuct every person who goes in or out of HQ ? The roads surrounding HQ ... Rush hour traffic around HQ is bad , but if we had people blocking the three main interesctions around it , allowing no one to go in ANY direction it would turn into a parking lot ... sure those people sitting in the middle of the road would be arrested for obstucting traffic , but i think the price to pay would be small compared to the effect . Hit traffic at the right time and it will ripple for hours....

It's just an idea ...

 

[lithuanian]

Hey! Freedom! That's a bit over the top. Don't ya think?
Everything on the Forum is pointed! Wow! We're trying to get corporate to read these inputs. Alas! They are in Rome and we are left figuring out the new systems in the conversion. Lord, help us!
Have to tell ya, there was a unspesified person with a protest sign sitting inside the terminal 4, Phoenix protesting. "U.S Air is Unfair". No one knew if he was employee or traveler. Cops were questioning him. Protest April 12. HQ 3pm to 6pm. All unions and non union invited. "Freakie Thursday". Day before Friday the 13th.

 

[as the prop turns]

I can understand the labor angst as US is indeed leaving the unions & employees to duke it out amongst themselves while continuing to play the take away game-- just had a conversation about that with a FA on a flight this weekend. It's a tough position to be in.

. . . First of all , neither i nor any other employee of us airways has said we will in anyway mistreat the customers or their luggage . (such actions would be unethical) . . . What i was trying to say is that i and most of my fellow workers will no longer go ABOVE AND BEYOND (except when safety is an issue ), a term most of you will soon be familar with ... i'm just going to do my job ...

Look. I emphasize with employee exasperation. But I'm telling you right now that the mood out here amongst elites and ordinary pax regarding US is not good. And I mean this in a sense above and beyond the usual problems and negative issues that the consumer automatically associates with US Air. There's always been a negative mindset of lower expectations towards US. But recent operational events have reached above and beyond what the public usually accepts as expected US Air performance.

Perhaps folks do have the best of intentions. But too many of us are all too familiar with past labor shennigans at PHL and the ripple effect upon luggage and other aspects of customer service. If this kind of stuff starts happening again, it ain't gonna be business as usual this time. For a myriad of reasons, US is on everybodys sh*t list and service disruptions or service drop offs will be the last straw for many folks, even here in PHL where US is a logical ( though often involuntary ) choice to fly.

My wife and I just had a great experience PHL-PBI-PHL last week. But if labor dealings begin impacting service, I'm not so sure that we'll put up with it this time. We understand your situation, but we too are growing tired of the excuses and problems with US.

Wishing you the best, but be careful what you wish for. Things have really changed out here amongst your customers.

Barry

I do believe what you say Barry. I'm in PHL. We do what we do (on the labor end) not for the company anymore, we do it for you. We actually do believe that you deserve better and at least for the senior a.m. people who are "original" USAir people, we try to do what we were taught and trained for sooooo many years ago. Thanks for hanging in there with us. Hate to say it, but until profits start to go down and it hit's them in their pocketbooks (which I know will ultimatley effect ours..always does) the "young turks" will not budge, those arrogant SOB's!!! FFocus has got to really pound the crap out of them. The Sandcastle has had to deal with Southwest for so long out of PHX that they need to start thinking BIG BOYS LEAGUE. I could give a rats a$$ about what Southwest does (one needs to keep an eye on them though), but we are and have always been known as the "business man's airline" our clientel is much different than WN's. However to get these dudes mind into a "professional mode" is like shoveling ####t against the tide!

 

[Seatacus]

Hate to say it, but until profits start to go down and it hit's them in their pocketbooks (which I know will ultimatley effect ours..always does) the "young turks" will not budge,

Management can put up with anything except something that effects their bottom line. You want them to listen then speak their language .........."money"

 

[lithuanian]

I do believe what you say Barry. I'm in PHL. We do what we do (on the labor end) not for the company anymore, we do it for you. We actually do believe that you deserve better and at least for the senior a.m. people who are "original" USAir people, we try to do what we were taught and trained for sooooo many years ago. Thanks for hanging in there with us. Hate to say it, but until profits start to go down and it hit's them in their pocketbooks (which I know will ultimatley effect ours..always does) the "young turks" will not budge, those arrogant SOB's!!! FFocus has got to really pound the crap out of them. The Sandcastle has had to deal with Southwest for so long out of PHX that they need to start thinking BIG BOYS LEAGUE. I could give a rats a$$ about what Southwest does (one needs to keep an eye on them though), but we are and have always been known as the "business man's airline" our clientel is much different than WN's. However to get these dudes mind into a "professional mode" is like shoveling ####t against the tide!

I do believe what you say Barry. I'm in PHL. We do what we do (on the labor end) not for the company anymore, we do it for you. We actually do believe that you deserve better and at least for the senior a.m. people who are "original" USAir people, we try to do what we were taught and trained for sooooo many years ago. Thanks for hanging in there with us. Hate to say it, but until profits start to go down and it hit's them in their pocketbooks (which I know will ultimatley effect ours..always does) the "young turks" will not budge, those arrogant SOB's!!! FFocus has got to really pound the crap out of them. The Sandcastle has had to deal with Southwest for so long out of PHX that they need to start thinking BIG BOYS LEAGUE. I could give a rats a$$ about what Southwest does (one needs to keep an eye on them though), but we are and have always been known as the "business man's airline" our clientel is much different than WN's. However to get these dudes mind into a "professional mode" is like shoveling ####t against the tide!

I'm not that creative, but I feel you're concern. Are you guys Philly or Pittsburg fleet or gate? Hey, we feel the PUSH! We are going to push for Parker to come give us the Town Hall! Give a S--- to the other ranks, We need discussion! AND! Anyone! Come party at "FREAKY!THURSDAY! April 12, the day before Friday the 13th. HEADQUARTERS! PHOENIX! PARTY with the best at Monti' on Mill! We have real lives that need compensation. Suck! the new, improved US.Airways. It's our lives! They Promised us the first of 2007. See you there!

 

[as the prop turns]

PHL Gates

 

[Nothin Less Than Victory]

i think corporate fails to realize that it is the actual airline operation that keeps the airline running and keeps them employed. for some reason they think it is their actions in corporate that casue the airline to survive. last time i checked, no passengers meant no airline. I've never heard of an airline stay an airline without any flights.