To Kirk the Eastie who wrote up a West FA for her announcement....

[LCC_#1]

And I agree the person who received this thru ask inflight (we all know him now) should have let it go instead of getting everyone into trouble.

Perhaps we should send our announcement books to good ol KIRK with SNITCH written in black markers!

 

[Travelpro72]

I like your way of thinking! ! ! I'll send mine. I never read from it anyway....OOPS now you have another f/a that "wings it" Read from the book people....WE MUST HAVE ORDER AROUND HERE!!!!! :angry2:

 

[songbirdstew]

No.... someone brought this whole thing up on our private discussion board. Nothing to do with MEC West president.

And I agree the person who received this thru ask inflight (we all know him now) should have let it go instead of getting everyone into trouble.

I'm confused, this thread was started with someone saying that it was on the afa66.org website. We on the East do not have a password to get on that site. However if it is there then it would have to do w/ the west side.
It wans't on the East AFA site.
Any clarification here ?

 

[autofixer]

So the whole post is a fraud. It looks like the Westies are looking to be offended; the only problem is the entire premise of the post is incorrect. It matters not if Kirk was an F/A or "policies and procedures" he is not East but West, thus the whole post is moot.

 

[HP_JACK]

Girlzzzz I can't clarify any more than I have for the poor person who started this on here.

Moral of the story: DON'T WRITE PEOPLE UP! and DON'T EMAIL SPECIFICS TO ASK INFLIGHT

 

[SKY HIGH]

No.... someone brought this whole thing up on our private discussion board. Nothing to do with MEC West president.
And I agree the person who received this thru ask inflight (we all know him now) should have let it go instead of getting everyone into trouble.

sky high states: Sooo, to clarify, its on your WEST private discussion board ON YOUR AFA website? Who monitors that?
And, how can you tell what is TRUTH and what is RUMOR? And, what is private about thousands of F/A's having access to this alleged incident. Sure, isnt being handled in a "private" manner.


only stating opinions

 

[LCC_#1]

Girlzzzz I can't clarify any more than I have for the poor person who started this on here.

Moral of the story: DON'T WRITE PEOPLE UP! and DON'T EMAIL SPECIFICS TO ASK INFLIGHT

This should put an end to this thread.... ....who am I kidding?

 

[l8rd8r]

So the whole post is a fraud. It looks like the Westies are looking to be offended; the only problem is the entire premise of the post is incorrect. It matters not if Kirk was an F/A or "policies and procedures" he is not East but West, thus the whole post is moot.

As a san commuter...I'm offended that detail was put in by the starter based on rumor...you suce...get your infor correct before you start sheet like this. Get a life! NOBODY gives a rats arse what proceedure is and who does what right or wrong. We follow are leader now have a DRINK and shut it up already. GEEZ.

 

[US1YFARE]

As a san commuter...

Tell Lupi (sp?) hello--she is awesome.

 

[cactusflyer]

To clarify, here is what happened...

1. A SAN commuter from the east wrote up a west crew for "non verbatim" announcement. Specifically, they referenced the flight being operated by America West Airlines.

2. Said SAN commuter wrote it up via the "ask inflight" forum on the hub.

3. Kirk K. who works in Inflight Policies and Procedures at the sand castle received the "write-up" and forwarded it to PHX inflight. Yes, he is a former west FA, but he didn't write the write up. To be clear the SAN commuter from the east did the writing up, including date, flight number etc.

4. Said west crew were called in and were disciplined. I believe the union is grieving this, but I'm not sure.

So, the moral of the story is, east or west, we shouldn't write each other up. That is why we have professional standards. Just in case the easties haven't caught on yet, the inflight management team you gained via this merger is NOTORIOUS for nailing FA's for the smallest, most stupid thing. All the while they over look the bigger issues/problems we are dealing with on line. Not surprising since most of them have never flown the line themselves. Welcome to the family! :blink: 😉

To the SAN commuter who did this, you ma'am are a coward.

 

[UWCactus]

Ok, lets put this issue to rest RIGHT NOW.
Here is what happened. The person that started this thread got it from the union board (most likely) and the person that put it on the union board announced this headline as though there should should be some retaliation.

One person in management sent an e-mail to FA's that perform onboard training as well as FA's that perform line checks to help explain that a "must read" (west) is needed to remind FA's.

A letter was received via the HUB that a former PSA FA was concerned about hearing the verbiage "owned and operated by America West Airlines" (sorry cactus flyer, your reference to this was not correct) when west FA's were making announcements while this FA commuted. The FA NEVER MADE REFERENCE TO SPECIFIC CREWS OR FLIGHTS they simply stated "over the past several months".
They were concerned about the divide that this creates, especially in the wake of lowered morale.

The training department said in the e-mail that they will need to do a "must read" reminding the make announcements verbatim. Also...in this letter, asked the line check FA's to see how often this type of announcement is made. One FA in the west decided she would post "parts" of this on the union website and did end up getting people worked up.

This whole situation made it as far as corporate and thats why I'm now trying to explain the real truth here. There was no "writing up" This was simply a letter that was "a concern". Thats all it was. The person that posted this to the union board is unprofessional.

 

[LCC_#1]

To the SAN commuter who did this, you ma'am are a coward.

I disagree. You do NOT know this person OR their intentions. You are ASSUMING you know that to be true. Have you MET said person? Have you SPOKEN to said person? Do you guys have ASK INFLIGHT? It ASKED for specifics. You can't fault that person if they weren't somehoe PRIVY to the actions of the west management style. You say we need to know what we inherited but refuse to give the SAN the benefit of the doubt. Now who's the coward?

Ok, lets put this issue to rest RIGHT NOW.
Here is what happened. The person that started this thread got it from the union board (most likely) and the person that put it on the union board announced this headline as though there should should be some retaliation.

One person in management sent an e-mail to FA's that perform onboard training as well as FA's that perform line checks to help explain that a "must read" (west) is needed to remind FA's.

A letter was received via the HUB that a former PSA FA was concerned about hearing the verbiage "owned and operated by America West Airlines" (sorry cactus flyer, your reference to this was not correct) when west FA's were making announcements while this FA commuted. The FA NEVER MADE REFERENCE TO SPECIFIC CREWS OR FLIGHTS they simply stated "over the past several months".
They were concerned about the divide that this creates, especially in the wake of lowered morale.

The training department said in the e-mail that they will need to do a "must read" reminding the make announcements verbatim. Also...in this letter, asked the line check FA's to see how often this type of announcement is made. One FA in the west decided she would post "parts" of this on the union website and did end up getting people worked up.

This whole situation made it as far as corporate and thats why I'm now trying to explain the real truth here. There was no "writing up" This was simply a letter that was "a concern". Thats all it was. The person that posted this to the union board is unprofessional.

THANK YOU!! This is what I suspected all along!! AGAIN, THANK YOU!!

 

[UWCactus]

I disagree. You do NOT know this person OR their intentions. You are ASSUMING you know that to be true. Have you MET said person? Have you SPOKEN to said person? Do you guys have ASK INFLIGHT? It ASKED for specifics. You can't fault that person if they weren't somehoe PRIVY to the actions of the west management style. You say we need to know what we inherited but refuse to give the SAN the benefit of the doubt. Now who's the coward?

Read my response about this. I work in corporate and am well aware of this situation that is nothing more than pieces of a letter that got blown out of proportion by a female FA in the west.

Perhaps we should send our announcement books to good ol KIRK with SNITCH written in black markers!

Remember...KIRK... IS NOT THE PERSON BEHIND THE LETTER!!! HE IS THE PERSON THAT ANSWERS THE LETTERS THAT ARE SUBMITTED TO THE COMPANY VIA THE HUB, HE GOT DRAGGED INTO THIS BY SIMPLY DOING HIS JOB!!! PROVIDING FEEDBACK TO MANAGEMENT, MOST OF THIS STUFF IS NOT ACCURATE OR TRUE.

PLEASE BELIEVE ME.

 

[LCC_#1]

Read my response about this. I work in corporate and am well aware of this situation that is nothing more than pieces of a letter that got blown out of proportion by a female FA in the west.
Remember...KIRK... IS NOT THE PERSON BEHIND THE LETTER!!! HE IS THE PERSON THAT ANSWERS THE LETTERS THAT ARE SUBMITTED TO THE COMPANY VIA THE HUB, HE GOT DRAGGED INTO THIS BY SIMPLY DOING HIS JOB!!! PROVIDING FEEDBACK TO MANAGEMENT, MOST OF THIS STUFF IS NOT ACCURATE OR TRUE.

PLEASE BELIEVE ME.

I think you responded before my response to you, but I knew this had to be blown out of proportion...ESPECIALLY from a former PSA person. They would NEVER write up another f/a. It just isn't their nature. HOPEFULLY this will end this debate!!

 

[N965VJ]

<SNIP> We follow are leader now have a DRINK and shut it up already. GEEZ.

Sounds like you’ve already knocked back a few yourself.