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UPNAWAY said:
Bagchucker,
I don't disagree with anything you said and he was probably dumb to say it but it was refreshingly honest. You mention Kelly notice how he keeps harping on cost now with every utterance. They have lost their advantage and as their workforce grows older without any new growth to keep feeding the pipeline with younger/cheaper people they too will start looking for ways to replace older workers with younger ones. I also do not doubt that they will do it in a "kinder gentler" manor. But none of that is the point. The point is the company pays what it is willing to pay and we all work for what we are willing to work. To complain is not only pointless but in the end counter productive as we end up with a large % of bitter angry people who should understand economic and their role in it and be looking for more value elsewhere. It is the old N.E. Union Mentality that you are owed something for being that I disagree with.
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Only a moron would think that they are owed something from their employer. You're right that if you agree to the wage, there should be 'no problem!' I saw new hires making a fraction of old timers wage, and if they agreed, shut up or there is the door. I personally don't expect thanks for doing my job. I couldn't care less if my boss gives a crap about my existance, as long as I get a check.

Perhaps this has nothing to do with your industry, but my gripe is increasing my workload and not giving me so much as a thanks in return. Now it is the employer who is taking advantage and making an employee feel like a worthless tool. I agree to a wage for one, and am doing the work of three.

If you use this as a hypothetical situation, you may get to the root of the entire problem.
 
LD3 said:
How many flies have dropped since this thread turned?
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OK going back to Turnover Rates-In reality corporate America wants an average 5 year turnover of employees. From what I remember, it has to do with an employee knowing the company well enough to rip it off.
 
SparrowHawk said:
They were NOT part of the original COTUS. They were and are Amendments to the Original COTUS. Like the Golfster said there were 1,500 plus days were the Bill of Rights did not exist.
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All I said is the Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution. It is.

By your argument Texas and California weren't in the original thirteen states, and aren't part of the United States.
 
signals said:
OK going back to Turnover Rates-In reality corporate America wants an average 5 year turnover of employees. From what I remember, it has to do with an employee knowing the company well enough to rip it off.
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Not just the Rip-Off factor. There are many reasons that all growing companies not only want but need some turnover.

One reason is complacency. After 5 years in the same job you had best know it inside and out. If you do then you know what corners can be cut. You become fat, dumb and happy in the job and frankly the company can now do better for less money if you go.

Also if you're not one of the fair haired boys being groomed for movement up the ladder, do yourself and the company a favor and move on. Companies today don't want career employees as they are to damned expensive relative to a new hire. This is why it's very hard to get a good job after 50 years of age.

Experience isn't valued as highly as it once was. When someone tells me "I've got 25 years experience" I think, "OK is that really one year of actual experience and 24 years of repetition, or is it 25 years of industry experience doing various jobs within that industry."
 
SparrowHawk said:
Not just the Rip-Off factor. There are many reasons that all growing companies not only want but need some turnover.

One reason is complacency. After 5 years in the same job you had best know it inside and out. If you do then you know what corners can be cut. You become fat, dumb and happy in the job and frankly the company can now do better for less money if you go.

Also if you're not one of the fair haired boys being groomed for movement up the ladder, do yourself and the company a favor and move on. Companies today don't want career employees as they are to damned expensive relative to a new hire. This is why it's very hard to get a good job after 50 years of age.

Experience isn't valued as highly as it once was. When someone tells me "I've got 25 years experience" I think, "OK is that really one year of actual experience and 24 years of repetition, or is it 25 years of industry experience doing various jobs within that industry."
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Thanx! I really didn't want to say it because a retaliation factor.

I worked at an airport for over 28 years, but never for the airlines. I know airport dynamics. Without naming names...I was a blue collar corporate drone making under $7. I laughed at a 15 year employee making over $10. I left at one point. I see my former employees and today a 20 year employee is making a little over $10! I would be making about $11! Ten bucks 22+ years ago is worth more than $11 today! I moved on to better...whew B)

At 50 we are harder to insure and statistically more a liability as far as young corporate America is concerned. Plus the young and naive are actually putting yet another nail in their young coffins. Their just to stupid to know 😉
 
767one said:
Very well said! I was the most junior f/o on the list from 1973 to 1978 so I ended up flying with most of the captains that no other f/o would bid with (or they would call in sick). When flying with one of the worst of these guys I overheard one of the f/a's tell another that this particular captain must be immune to the visine because he was up to 12 drops and complementing her on the coffee!

Merry Christmas!
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same to you as well... I usually am a very happy person... but do not like mean folks.... but as you see there are a few of mean folks in the cockpit...I do not like any mean folks anywhere!!!!


So I can't stand arrogant pilots... and there are only a few....
 
Pilots put their pants on the same as everyone else - one leg at a time - and I've yet to see one with a cape under his/her uniform... :lol:

Jim
 
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