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The membership did NOT decide to re-vote, The IAM DID !!
You might think it's OK to sweep things under the rug due to the passage of time, I don't...
Again, What about best 2 out of three ??
Like I said, if the members had any guts they would have voted no to every single concession, but they haven't.
And holding on to something that happened five years ago instead of getting involved and trying to make things better is a waste of time and energy.
And like I have said two previous times, maybe this time you will let it sink in, I did not agree nor condone the second vote, I voted NO on EVERY single concession and YES to EVERY single strike, but the brothers and sisters did not, I got involved to make things better and enable change, can you say the same?
And holding on to something that happened five years ago instead of getting involved and trying to make things better is a waste of time and energy.
And like I have said two previous times, maybe this time you will let it sink in, I did not agree nor condone the second vote, I voted NO on EVERY single concession and YES to EVERY single strike, but the brothers and sisters did not, I got involved to make things better and enable change, can you say the same?
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Only a fool forgets that kind of representation. Remembering prevents the reoccurance
So kinda like how the mafia took control of the ibt and numerous ibt officers been convicted even a few International Presidents?
Remember the Federal Government took control of the ibt and the main person overseeing the ibt resigned as he said the ibt was not serious on reforming the corruption.
Kinda like how the US government oversees all the elections at the highest level?
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Remember the Federal Government took control of the ibt and the main person overseeing the ibt resigned as he said the ibt was not serious on reforming the corruption.
Kinda like how the US government oversees all the elections at the highest level?
Teamsters for a Democratic Union
Tell me 700, What have you done to make things better.
You can do no more or less than I can. We each got our own votes to cast..
too many at east are fools my friend....I speak from experience....I was there.......
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I am truely hoping that you have under-estimated them -
"PROMISES are EASY to MAKE"
I know this is an election year for Congressman and Senators but the promises that are being made are not coming from them they are coming from the IBT Representatives.
It’s easy to tell people what you’re proposing.
It’s easy to tell people what they want to hear.
It’s easy to make Promises
The IBT is doing all the promising but their track record speaks for itself. Their Contract at America West is so weak their own members told CEO Parker they were "Bottom Feeders" compared to the industry. They are telling our members they will put us in their Western States Pension Plan. Why didn't they put their own members in it? First of all America West wouldn't pay for them, secondly that plan recently cut benefits to its members, some by as much as 60%. The Mechanics at America West HAVE NO PENSION PLAN, they have to contribute 6% of their pay to get 3% match from the company.
The IBT is proposing Seniority integration with protections attached to protect the America West Mechanics. They proposed the same thing with the CWA but finally conceded because the CWA had a contract and the IBT was still unable to get a first agreement with America West for its CSR's. PLUS how could they tell you they wouldn't do that to you when they're position with the CWA became public. WHAT do you think they would do if they were in control and the IAM had no say???
Promises, Proposals, and Reality The IBT is telling you they will take the IAM contract that they couldn't come close to matching and make it better. The IBT is telling you to trust them to do better for you than they could for their own Mechanics. The IBT is trying to Promise and Propose their way into being your representatives. The reality of it is the IAM made the best out of a terrible situation. The IAM faced with Bankruptcy and Abrogation of our labor agreement saved as many jobs and benefits as possible. Thousands of our members were furloughed, but thousands were not. All classifications still have indefinite recall rights and hopefully they will be able exercise them in the near future.
Tell Them What They Want to Hear This mentality was used on our Brothers and Sisters at Northwest and United by amfa. Look were they are today. It’s always easier to promise than to deliver, just look at the politicians. The IAM has had to deal with the reality of our industry and did so in a professional and honest manner. The memberships best interest is always paramount, and will continue to be regardless of the attacks on us by others.
Inequities Yes there are several, and they will be corrected in the transition agreement as we have said from the start. The IAM has been involved in 4 mergers at US Airways and inequities have been addressed in them all. Ask the ex IBT members that became IAM members from PSA. They received their seniority, $5.00 an hour raise and vesting credits into our Pension Plan.
Promises and Proposal are easy to make, don’t be led down the path!!!
I know this is an election year for Congressman and Senators but the promises that are being made are not coming from them they are coming from the IBT Representatives.
It’s easy to tell people what you’re proposing.
It’s easy to tell people what they want to hear.
It’s easy to make Promises
The IBT is doing all the promising but their track record speaks for itself. Their Contract at America West is so weak their own members told CEO Parker they were "Bottom Feeders" compared to the industry. They are telling our members they will put us in their Western States Pension Plan. Why didn't they put their own members in it? First of all America West wouldn't pay for them, secondly that plan recently cut benefits to its members, some by as much as 60%. The Mechanics at America West HAVE NO PENSION PLAN, they have to contribute 6% of their pay to get 3% match from the company.
The IBT is proposing Seniority integration with protections attached to protect the America West Mechanics. They proposed the same thing with the CWA but finally conceded because the CWA had a contract and the IBT was still unable to get a first agreement with America West for its CSR's. PLUS how could they tell you they wouldn't do that to you when they're position with the CWA became public. WHAT do you think they would do if they were in control and the IAM had no say???
Promises, Proposals, and Reality The IBT is telling you they will take the IAM contract that they couldn't come close to matching and make it better. The IBT is telling you to trust them to do better for you than they could for their own Mechanics. The IBT is trying to Promise and Propose their way into being your representatives. The reality of it is the IAM made the best out of a terrible situation. The IAM faced with Bankruptcy and Abrogation of our labor agreement saved as many jobs and benefits as possible. Thousands of our members were furloughed, but thousands were not. All classifications still have indefinite recall rights and hopefully they will be able exercise them in the near future.
Tell Them What They Want to Hear This mentality was used on our Brothers and Sisters at Northwest and United by amfa. Look were they are today. It’s always easier to promise than to deliver, just look at the politicians. The IAM has had to deal with the reality of our industry and did so in a professional and honest manner. The memberships best interest is always paramount, and will continue to be regardless of the attacks on us by others.
Inequities Yes there are several, and they will be corrected in the transition agreement as we have said from the start. The IAM has been involved in 4 mergers at US Airways and inequities have been addressed in them all. Ask the ex IBT members that became IAM members from PSA. They received their seniority, $5.00 an hour raise and vesting credits into our Pension Plan.
Promises and Proposal are easy to make, don’t be led down the path!!!
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The IAM thinks that you should continue to support the failures in representation that you have had for years now is your chance to get rid of the leaches called the IAM. Under the IBT representation we have not had to suffer the indignities that you have on the east. The IAM has failed you - time to show them the door. Why be lead by intimidation think for yourself talk to other techs at the west side and find out for yourself - IBT is the way to go - UP the ladder. They will at least represent your interest.
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WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOPE WE ALL HAVE A NICE IBT TOP PAY CONTRACT!!!!!!!
Top Pay?
Your contract before the two bankruptcies was the lowest of all the carriers.
Your scope language is the worst in the industry, HP outsources all its heavy checks to Timco and Aeroman, HP schedules Overnight Maintenance in non-maintenance stations (US/East the IAM CBA prohibits that). Your GSE, Plant and Stores make less then thier US/East Counterparts. At East all the A320 Family Aircraft and all the 737s are overhauled in-house, and the company is bringing in more work, ie some 757s checks.
You don't have a pension and never had one, we had DBP and it was replaced with at DCP and we also have the 401K match.
You make this way too easy, don't let the facts get in your ways.
Your contract before the two bankruptcies was the lowest of all the carriers.
Your scope language is the worst in the industry, HP outsources all its heavy checks to Timco and Aeroman, HP schedules Overnight Maintenance in non-maintenance stations (US/East the IAM CBA prohibits that). Your GSE, Plant and Stores make less then thier US/East Counterparts. At East all the A320 Family Aircraft and all the 737s are overhauled in-house, and the company is bringing in more work, ie some 757s checks.
You don't have a pension and never had one, we had DBP and it was replaced with at DCP and we also have the 401K match.
You make this way too easy, don't let the facts get in your ways.
awausairtech
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Bottom Line! (WE ARE READY TO FIGHT WITH THE IBT IN OUR CORNER!!!
ARE YOU WHIPPED USAIR IAM BROTHERS AND SISTERS?VOTE IBT AND GET SOME REAL STRONG IBT MEMBERS............
I PAY MY DUES FOR MY UNION TO TAKE CARE OF ME AND MY UNION BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
Strong?
your contract is the bottom feeder of the industry, your ibt has not secured heavy maintenance, line maintenance and you treat your GSE, Plant and Stores as second class citizens.
Do you think people are stupid and cant read your CBA?
your contract is the bottom feeder of the industry, your ibt has not secured heavy maintenance, line maintenance and you treat your GSE, Plant and Stores as second class citizens.
Do you think people are stupid and cant read your CBA?
