US 807 CLT-PHX-HNL today...and tomorrow

[Dont call me Shirley]

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_767#Specifications. The 767-200ERs US has should, in theory, be able to handle CLT-HNL.

However, my east-bound transcons lately have been arriving anywhere from 30-60 minutes early, so the tailwinds have been quite strong on some days.

Better than wiki, check Boeing's info:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family...pf_200prod.html
Maximum Range 6,385 nmi (12,195 km) for the 767-200.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family...rc_newyork.html


For reasons that I can not remember, but have been covered on these pages, the US 767 is not capable of that range. I understand that it is more a paperwork/certification issue, not a technicalone. I'm sure someone can come up with that info.

 

[SS255]

My wife and I are booked on this flight in early February with a (separately booked) connecting flight on HA from HNL to OGG departing @ 16:46. If these diversion continue, there's no way we can make our connecting filght. Any idea what US will do for us if this happens? It's not helping that 807 keeps leaving CLT late. One last question, why does seat 3C not show up on the seating charts?

My assumption is that per the terms of US's contract of carriage you would be hosed, as they can (and probably would) blame it on the weather. If the flight continues to divert for the next week or so, I would highly suggest coming up with an alternate solution which works for you, and then trying to work with US to make the appropriate changes.

Oy, vey.....US is sure to be dead last in December's D.O.T. report. 🙄

 

[Coach Cabin]

Thats just it. They KNEW that before starting the route. See what we're saying? It runs into problems with strong headwinds. Funny though that the headwinds were not bad. Ask some working flights from the west coast if they made it home expeditiously due to a high tailwind. I bet it was normal.

As for 3C yes it's the pilots crew rest.

While I could wallpaper a room with a list of things I'd like to see done differently around here, I need to support Tempe on this one. I've done four Hawaii trips in the last few weeks and the winds have been absolutely brutal. One Maui trip, which would normally be 6+10 flying time from Phoenix, was 7+38. A Kona, normally 6+0, was 7+10. The other two trips were both 45 minutes over block westbound and 30 minutes under block eastbound. The captain I just flew with told me he made it back to Phoenix the other day in 4+50! These flying times are unheard of, I've never seen anything like it since since we started Hawaii service back in the old AWA days. The nonstops from Charlotte will, under normal conditions, be nonstop.

Enjoy Honolulu, you guys.

Aloha

 

[Travelpro72]

Coach, put the pom poms down for JUST a second. Why is US the ONLY and let me repeat the ONLY airline diverting on their way to HNL lately? I think someone mentioned CO turning around over the pacific one day but was due to something, not sure. Sorry the company is failing miserably on a route the a/c is having difficulty making. It's that simple. So what? Advertise all over the place that you have nonstop service from CLT to HNL and divert all G'damn winter? Does Delta divert all winter? The MAIN COMPETITOR next door is operating their flight daily from ATL without fail. You don't see that as a problem? What in Hell. 🙄

 

[88 B.T.D.]

Two days ago I flew Kaneohe to San Fransisco in 4+30 at Mach .74. We saw 180 knots on the tail a few times.

 

[Barrister]

Depends. Was the flight pre-planned to make a fuel stop? If so, the non-revs won't change a thing. If the fuel stop was a result of the final load, the non-revs may or may not have made a difference depending on how many passengers would have had to be taken off to avoid a fuel stop. Only if it was the non-revs and nothing else that caused the fuel stop could one say that someone screwed up.

Jim


Boeing Boy,

Me thinks you should come out of retirement and run the show...

SINCE YOU KNOW SO MUCH!!!!!!!!

VNIIMN

 

[strangiatotheme]

Coach, put the pom poms down for JUST a second. Why is US the ONLY and let me repeat the ONLY airline diverting on their way to HNL lately?

Alaska and WestJet have had a few diversions over the last week out of SEA and YVR to the islands, albeit not on a daily basis.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

While I could wallpaper a room with a list of things I'd like to see done differently around here, I need to support Tempe on this one. I've done four Hawaii trips in the last few weeks and the winds have been absolutely brutal. One Maui trip, which would normally be 6+10 flying time from Phoenix, was 7+38. A Kona, normally 6+0, was 7+10. The other two trips were both 45 minutes over block westbound and 30 minutes under block eastbound. The captain I just flew with told me he made it back to Phoenix the other day in 4+50! These flying times are unheard of, I've never seen anything like it since since we started Hawaii service back in the old AWA days. The nonstops from Charlotte will, under normal conditions, be nonstop.

Enjoy Honolulu, you guys.

Aloha

Don't go confusing the haters with facts. They want to vent about how much they hate their jobs and the company. I wonder how much they charge to haunt a house?

 

[Travelpro72]

Don't go confusing the haters with facts. They want to vent about how much they hate their jobs and the company. I wonder how much they charge to haunt a house?

Ok let us simplify for those like YOU. Has Delta diverted at all from ATL? Ya know, the airline we directly compete with for NONSTOP service? I rest my case. This "hater" is off to bed Night. 🙄

 

[westcoastflyer]

Part of the problem is that from Southern California to Hawaii, there is nowhere to divert to. The two closest airports on either end are Santa Barbara, CA and Hilo,HI. This is one of the longest distances ,with nowhere to land, of any scheduled air service in the world. It's quite different from coasting in to North America, with numerous diversion airports available hundreds of miles short of PHL.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Ok let us simplify for those like YOU. Has Delta diverted at all from ATL? Ya know, the airline we directly compete with for NONSTOP service? I rest my case. This "hater" is off to bed Night. 🙄

Have you ever posted anything positive? You must be so fun to work with. Your entire posting history is consumed with being nasty, you just can't see it because you are too caught up in it.

Its the first week, CTFO. The route will work, and if it doesn't, they will fix it.

I don't care about Delta, I don't care about Continental or American.

I hope that some day you will be capable of making your life more happy and you won't have to live a bitter life.

 

[US1YFARE]

I don't care about Delta, I don't care about Continental or American.

You obviously don't care about VFF's since those airlines have successfully snatched up many of US's.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Don't go confusing the haters with facts. They want to vent about how much they hate their jobs and the company. I wonder how much they charge to haunt a house?

Unfortunately, the savants you call friends haven't shown us the same talent you see.

We have seen the 'resounding success' of SHARES conversion, the aborted PEK route, 'this job is not a career' (from some one getting rich off of this job), customer service is overrated, and the topic currently under discussion. The list is much longer, but who has time for that?

Leadership, vision and competency are lacking. And you stoop to ghetto talk to attack anyone who sees it.

Ar least one person is on the same page as Tempe.

 

[Coach Cabin]

Coach, put the pom poms down for JUST a second. Why is US the ONLY and let me repeat the ONLY airline diverting on their way to HNL lately? I think someone mentioned CO turning around over the pacific one day but was due to something, not sure. Sorry the company is failing miserably on a route the a/c is having difficulty making. It's that simple. So what? Advertise all over the place that you have nonstop service from CLT to HNL and divert all G'damn winter? Does Delta divert all winter? The MAIN COMPETITOR next door is operating their flight daily from ATL without fail. You don't see that as a problem? What in Hell. 🙄

Wasn't this route only made possible because of the cancellation of unprofitable European flying? Would you rather see Tempe park the damn planes and lay off a couple of hundred more flight attendants? Flying this route with ancient 767's, knowing there is a possibility of an occasional fuel stop, is better than the alternative. I'd rather drive a new Cadillac Escalade than my old Dodge but I don't have the cash or credit for new wheels. This company is hanging on by a wing and a prayer, witness the deferral of 54 Airbus. I don't like chitty-chitty bang bang anymore than you do but the company has an old Dodge available for CLT-HNL and no money for the Escalade, even though the neighbors in Atlanta do. That's the reality of the situation. If you were CEO would you ground the planes and put even more people out of work rather than risk fuel stops in the event of severe head winds? I didn't think so.

 

[FWAAA]

Looking back on flightaware. Yesterday Us 807 made it to Hnl Nonstop but was just over 3 hrs late.

Elswehere, it's been posted that despite what's shown on Flightaware, it diverted to PHX; I think that makes the fuel diversions 5 for 5 since the route began on Thursday.