US 807 CLT-PHX-HNL today...and tomorrow

[strangiatotheme]

Playing around with this was kinda cool:

http://adds.aviationweather.gov/winds/

I'm just a lowly engineering student, HOWEVER...it looks like the patch of high winds that's right off the coast of southern California is starting to move farther south and sort of dissipate. I'll be interested to see how the flight performs during this period.

 

[strangiatotheme]

Elswehere, it's been posted that despite what's shown on Flightaware, it diverted to PHX; I think that makes the fuel diversions 5 for 5 since the route began on Thursday.

According to Passur, 807 was in PHX on the 19th and the 21st, which would confirm what's shown on FlightAware.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Elswehere, it's been posted that despite what's shown on Flightaware, it diverted to PHX;

My suspicion is that that flight was initially released to PHX (thus the status info on the US web site) and re-released to HNL before it got to PHX (thus the FlightAware and FlightStats info). The updated info showing non-stop never got into the status on the US site, causing the confusion.

The late arrival was primarily due to a late departure and the other 45 minutes of lost time enroute is way too short for a fuel stop.

Jim

 

[ChockJockey]

Wasn't this route only made possible because of the cancellation of unprofitable European flying? Would you rather see Tempe park the damn planes and lay off a couple of hundred more flight attendants? Flying this route with ancient 767's, knowing there is a possibility of an occasional fuel stop, is better than the alternative. I'd rather drive a new Cadillac Escalade than my old Dodge but I don't have the cash or credit for new wheels. This company is hanging on by a wing and a prayer, witness the deferral of 54 Airbus. I don't like chitty-chitty bang bang anymore than you do but the company has an old Dodge available for CLT-HNL and no money for the Escalade, even though the neighbors in Atlanta do. That's the reality of the situation. If you were CEO would you ground the planes and put even more people out of work rather than risk fuel stops in the event of severe head winds? I didn't think so.

Oh snap!

Careful friend, folks 'roun' here don't take to kindly to "facts" or "pragmatic perspectives".

Aloha!

 

[nycbusdriver]

Alaska and WestJet have had a few diversions over the last week out of SEA and YVR to the islands, albeit not on a daily basis.

What type of aircraft?

 

[nycbusdriver]

My suspicion is that that flight was initially released to PHX (thus the status info on the US web site) and re-released to HNL before it got to PHX (thus the FlightAware and FlightStats info). The updated info showing non-stop never got into the status on the US site, causing the confusion.

Doubtful. Re-release flight plans are common (95%) of the time on transatlantic flights because they save a lot of fuel by reducing reserve requirements. This is likely how the CLT-HNL flights are being released. Almost always westbhound European flights are released to BOS or BDL, then re-released to PHL before they hit U.S. airspace. Eastbound, it's usually SNN or DUB. The website doesn't seem to ever show these flights going to their re-release destination. Why would the CLT-HNL flight show PHX?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Both have only 737's in their fleet. I think AS uses the -800 and Weestjet uses the -600

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

Doubtful.

As I said, it was a suspicion not a "fact.

The website doesn't seem to ever show these flights [ta flights - jim] going to their re-release destination. Why would the CLT-HNL flight show PHX?

If, and I do mean If, the flight was planned and released for a fuel stop, but was doing better than flight plan fuel burn as it approached thedescent point for PHX, the crew could have asked dispatch if a re-release was possible. If the dispatcher found that the numbers added up to continuing non-stop the flight could then have been re-released. The US web site status info would show the PHX stop because that was what was planned even after CLT departure. When the re-release was issued long after CLT departure the status wasn't updated.

I can't think of any other way it could have left cruise altitude, made the fuel stop, and returned to cruise altitude yet only be over the scheduled gate to gate time by 45-46 minutes - with headwinds supposedly strong enough to require a fuel stop.

If you can come up with an alternate reason for the status showing a fuel stop vs the actual non-stop flight (according to three flight tracking sites, one of which keeps a log of altitude and airspeed while in radar contact) or how it took only 45-46 minutes longer than schedule despite headwinds strong enough to require a fuel stop, I'd love to hear it.

Jim

 

[Hope777]

Today is my 1st day back from Vac so I got to look at the flight in Sabre.

Indeed Flight 807 made it Non - Stop CLT-HNL on the 20th. Also Today, the Flight is operating NON-STOP into HNL.

Someone said in an earlier post that the flight carried a lot of MTC stuff on the first flight and that was the major reason for the fuel stop. Well on the 17th (first day) there was ONLY 926lbs of MTC COMAT, so that excuse does not fly.

 

[Travelpro72]

Have you ever posted anything positive? You must be so fun to work with. Your entire posting history is consumed with being nasty, you just can't see it because you are too caught up in it.

Its the first week, CTFO. The route will work, and if it doesn't, they will fix it.

I don't care about Delta, I don't care about Continental or American.

I hope that some day you will be capable of making your life more happy and you won't have to live a bitter life.

Well let's see, because I take a few minutes to post and call management out on many of the ridiculous ideas and stunts I'm negative, nasty and caught up in it? Ummm I just don't settle for BS. Obviously a few do. As for not caring about Delta and Continental.....that seems to be a big problem for US. And your last comment of being happy in life...Are you serious? Well THANK YOU Tony Robbins. Maybe I'll be visited by three ghosts tonight for being such a miserable, nasty and negative person. Thank you for helping me pass the day on my couch with a cold.

Let us face facts folks. US has diverted the flight to HNL from CLT while Delta our MAIN competitor in ATL has operated their advertised nonstop....get this NONSTOP. Because the a/c was going to "sit" doesn't mean you throw it on a route you know it may have issues with". Issues once in a great while is fine but DAILY? The rationale here is astounding.

 

[WhatBag?]

Well it looks like today's flight is going non stop. Perhaps the winds have subsided. Off to HNL tomorrow and hope for the same.

 

[strangiatotheme]

Both have only 737's in their fleet. I think AS uses the -800 and Weestjet uses the -600

Jim

WS utilizes -800s to Hawaii. Their -600s tend to stay inland...we get a few in PHX every week.

 

[Travelpro72]

I'm glad to see the flight operating nonstop today. This is great news for our customers.

 

[desertsun]

I'm glad to see the flight operating nonstop today. This is great news for our customers.

Absolutely. Happy Holidays to everyone!

 

[john john]

Its the first week, CTFO. The route will work, and if it doesn't, they will fix it.

Sounds like QIK/SHARES 3 year’s later