US pilot labor thread 6/28-7/4

[AAA73Pilot]

They also better fire 10 of our east pilots, some are not paying dues, start at the most senior!!!

All non-dues payers are at jeopardy. Sad, but a choice just the same.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Why are the east pilots ignoring a legal award?

To take effect, it had to be ratified in a joint agreement. The only joint agreement the membership will vote on will not have the ALPA award anywhere in it.

Before you get to excited, there is not a TA or a contract in place yet. So that chapter has not been written yet. The Nicolau will prevail. So we both get what is legal. You get USAPA we all get Nicolau seniority.

You have your opinion, and I have mine. No amount of "Proof", Arguing, jumping up and down seems will change them. Time will tell when the new contract is completed and Doug does not dispute the USAPA CB&L's.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

You have your opinion, and I have mine. No amount of "Proof", Arguing, jumping up and down seems will change them.

Reading the same "junk" over and over again from USAPA's opponents makes you believe that they think it will.

 

[EastUS]

The Nicolau will prevail. So we both get what is legal. You get USAPA we all get Nicolau seniority.

If you actually have even the slightest faith in that...there's no logical reason for your lack of participation within USAPA......

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Reading the same "junk" over and over again from USAPA's opponents makes you believe that they think it will.

So very true. In the mean time it's never a dull moment. Is that the same "Junk" rephrased a hundred different times? But you gotta love it.

 

[UtterlyUdder]

Deleted by moderator.

As a newbie, can someone explain this to me? Is this what happens when a poster is sent to the cornfield? A person could drown in a cornfield these days. But I am serious, what does it mean to be "deleted by moderator"?

UU

 

[checksix]

I would hope the west MEC demands that US dismiss any pilot who becomes delinquent in their dues per the RLA.

So many innocent US employees whose careers are put at risk by a irrational few.

Reason pays huge dividends. Try it!!

Wow, luvn, will you be offering yourself up to be dismissed? Integrity matters!D

 

[EastUS]

QUOTE (luvn737s @ May 25 2007, 09:31 PM)
I would hope the west MEC demands that US dismiss any pilot who becomes delinquent in their dues per the RLA.
So many innocent US employees whose careers are put at risk by a irrational few."

Reason pays huge dividends. Try it!!

Wow, luvn, will you be offering yourself up to be dismissed? Integrity matters!D

Truly amazing..... I guess that "Integrity" matters..but "Consistency", most certainly. does NOT :blink: I am somewhat curious though...How does anyone have "Integrity" without the slightest degree of "Consistency"? I always thought the two to be logically linked...Oh Well...

"Reason pays huge dividends. Try it!!" 😉

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Wow, luvn, will you be offering yourself up to be dismissed? Integrity matters!D

After reading that link posted by Nos. I was wondering the same thing from Mr. Integrity.

 

[checksix]

A West former "friend" of mine clued me into the key to stop or reduce most of the furloughs. It's in their contract to voluntarily reduce their monthly flying to 40 hours, staffing permitting. We need to push that. But the West has the knowledge to put it together. They know the intent at the table. We don't. They know their contract. All it would take to avoid furloughs (except for maybe last winter's new-hires) is to find out how many would do that 40 hour thing and look into reducing line average a little. That would take a poll, of DUES-PAYING members.

I'm not a saint, but I'd take 40 hours every month I could. As temporary as this job is, I could use the time to work 3/4 time at my real job (the farm). No Bucks in Bucks County if you're not driving the tractor.

West guys, you can sit on the sidelines and moan and groan on this web board or you can help to save jobs. your contract is the key. Use it. Help out all LCC pilots. We will listen if you can get anyone with enough stones to break away from your blessed AWAPPO.

I would hope some west pilots are willing to step up to the plate.............

 

[AAA73Pilot]

I would hope some west pilots are willing to step up to the plate.............

In due time. In the meantime, one can only hope.

 

[nostradamus]

They also better fire 10 of our east pilots, some are not paying dues, start at the most senior!!!

East pilots not paying dues should be fired first.

 

[nostradamus]

Never been to Australia. I hear it's pretty nice.

You heard this from the pilots you flew with I assume.

america west flew drugs for Sir Peter Abeles:

"It is also worthy to mention that we at America West owe a great deal to
Ansett Airlines and Sir Peter Abeles. We have benefited from a large
amount of equipment from them (much of which was purchased at below market rates) and, also, we have a very large percentage of our company's stock in their hands."

Where luvn737 heard about Australia, click here

Then america west pilots crossed Australian pilots picket line for Sir Peter, Integrity matters.

"Twenty percent of the stock of AMERICA WEST AIRLINES was owned by ANSETT AIRLINES of Australia and 55% of ANSETT AIRLINES was held by Sir Peter Ables and Rupert Murdock."


"I found the America West Airline drug trafficking trial fascinating. Patrick Thurston, Vice President of Operations, America West, Bob Russell, Chief of Pilots, and Carl Wobser, a captain, all pleaded guilty to multiple counts of narcotics trafficking. They had purchased a DC 6 and embarked upon a career in the drug trade. Unfortunately for them their plane, which they maxed out electronically, had chronic engine problems which required them to touch down unexpectedly in several countries. This was more than embarrassing, since they had not filed flight plans. On one such emergency stop in Aruba, on the way back from Columbia, their plane was found packed with marijuana. There is reason to believe that their intended cargo was cocaine and that after a mix-up they did not wish to fly back empty. Despite the lofty positions these men held with America West, they seemed to have no difficulty getting time off for their drug flights, and America West wanted to rehire Russell after his six months in the Federal country club."

Click here for article

 

[checksix]

Leo the lion, no East pilot is going to take a West CA or FO position. That rumor is long worn out. When are you going to get over that BS threat? The bad old USAPA is all the sustains your awappo/leo deal. Our Beepers are working on some pretty tall fences. Give a listen when they get it worked out. It won't be the NIC, but you might just be surprised.

Leo won't be happy, why? "I want every east captain seat and I want every east pilot to pay for it," said Leo the lion. That's what the LeoWappa foundation is all about, getting back their lottery ticket.

Good posts, Snoop.

 

[cleardirect]

You have your opinion, and I have mine. No amount of "Proof", Arguing, jumping up and down seems will change them. Time will tell when the new contract is completed and Doug does not dispute the USAPA CB&L's.

Maybe you misunderstand. Maybe you overestimate the power of the mighty USAPA. Parker is not bound by USAPA’s C&BL. He does not have to dispute it, he does not care what they do or don’t say. Parker is only concerned with what he will negotiate. Otherwise you could put in the C&BL that you will be the highest paid pilots in the industry. (How did that work out for you?)

The next time you come across dictator Bradford or any of the other self appointed “leadersâ€￾ ask them what the status of the Nicolau award is. Ask them why they say that they are negotiating seniority instead of the Nicolau has gone away. Listen to Parkers last crew news from CTL. He says that the Nicolau is still in place.