US pilot labor thread 7/13-7/20

[cleardirect]

Actually I can handle "missteps" if that turns out to be the case, when it is finally resoved, which it is not.

The federal part of this case certainly is resolved. Now if USAPA wants to waste more money attacking the very pilots that it pretends to represent please continue to look foolish. Are you in the know? Is USAPA going to pursue this charade into state court? Inquiring minds want to know. But wait. USAPA does not want to harm anyone they just wanted the calls to stop. According to the update.

USAPA is happy to report that the weeks following the filing of the lawsuit saw a significant drop off in telephonic and electronic sabotage.

So what is it? Harass the west with more frivolous law suits or let it drop?

Much more preferable than stepping on one's own body parts, as AWAPPA exhibited in allowing it's membership to even engage in such activity.

What activity did AWAPPA “allowâ€￾ someone to engage in? They never encouraged anyone to do anything.

The federal judge ruled that there was no RICO, no conspiracy. Only individuals that can understand what USAPA wants to do to the west careers and the lack of integrity to live up to ones agreements.

 

[ClueByFour]

I'm fine with length of service being the determinant myself. No need to really reply though..as you're simply spouting your standard, banal , acid-washed, utter drivel for your reasons of your own sickness...as you're not even a pilot "here". I doubt many others will reply though..given that you're a deadly, expert gunfighter..as "evidenced" in an earlier thread..and a rough-tough "pilot" that can find his way into the front of even .."gasp..choke"..supposedly even a light twin...there's then the additonal "danger" of your proving yourself the finer airman!. You're an utter Joke in extremis.

Good night..and have fun all.

I see. I love it when (deleted by moderator) make my point for me (you attacked the messenger and did not answer the question). I hear the mental acuity does start to go at a certain age.

Let me know when you have a reasoned response. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Piedmont1984]

What activity did AWAPPA “allowâ€￾ someone to engage in? They never encouraged anyone to do anything.

Without naming names, AWAPPA's own leaders characterized their mission as "war". That alone is encouragement to engage in "guerrilla tactics".

Whether it was done by design or by deliberate neglect, the result is the same.

 

[Leonidas]

I finally find myself agreeing with this particular post of yours. I am extremely disappointed that USAPA did not immediately let the membership know that the lawsuit was dismissed and why...with a disclaimer that they are now considering their options. That's all it would have taken to make me happy with their communications.

But it is well over 48 hours since the judge issued the order and USAPA has still not sent anything out. I find it unconscionable and very ALPA-like.

I sent emails about this lack to the comm committee and my reps on Saturday, and no one has responded yet

If any USAPA officer or rep is reading this, be aware that your credibility is ON THE LINE with even the easties now that you have clammed up on this issue. Some of you know who I am, but save the PMs to me (I don't want excuses) and get the comm committee to do its job.

Very alpa like indeed. Why didn't usapa tell you abiut the two most serious charges being dismissed with prejudice? why is it that usapa doesn't have the decision available for it's memebers to read? how much money did usapa spend?. This reminds me of the seniority arbitration, when the west would get daily trancripts and the east would get a "we won again today" message from the east mec.

 

[Ralph]

:cop: NO PERSONAL ATTACKS :cop:

Must you be reminded daily that personal attacks are not permitted? Calling people senile, fools, etc. do count as personal attacks--particularly when you don't really know the person.

BTW, like your Mother, I don't care who started it. 🙄

 

[trunion]

The federal part of this case certainly is resolved. Now if USAPA wants to waste more money attacking the very pilots that it pretends to represent please continue to look foolish. Are you in the know? Is USAPA going to pursue this charade into state court? Inquiring minds want to know. But wait. USAPA does not want to harm anyone they just wanted the calls to stop. According to the update.



So what is it? Harass the west with more frivolous law suits or let it drop?



What activity did AWAPPA “allowâ€￾ someone to engage in? They never encouraged anyone to do anything.

The federal judge ruled that there was no RICO, no conspiracy. Only individuals that can understand what USAPA wants to do to the west careers and the lack of integrity to live up to ones agreements.

West careers! You need to look at this CLEARLY. The East is still flying for the East and the West is still flying for the West. Can you say Career Expectation?

The agreement was never finalized with a joint contract... and never would have been, even under ALPA.

LET IT GO.

 

[LSS]

Obviously Leonidas, the Moderator thought so and I agree!

 

[cleardirect]

West careers! You need to look at this CLEARLY. The East is still flying for the East and the West is still flying for the West. Can you say Career Expectation?

The agreement was never finalized with a joint contract... and never would have been, even under ALPA.

LET IT GO.

That is the situation today!

Looking into the somewhat near future we will have a joint contract and combined seniority list. Or is USAPA so incompetent that those things will never happen?

That is exactly what I see CLEARLY is a DOH list destroys my career and every other west pilot. Perhaps you don’t even believe that the west had or deserves a career, only the east.


As far as letting go of the Nicolau award. NEVER!

 

[UtterlyUdder]

BTW, like your Mother, I don't care who started it. 🙄

MOMMY (Dearest!) Thank you.

 

[luvthe9]

Perhaps you don’t even believe that the west had or deserves a career, only the east.

You would not have had a career if not for US, yes you most certianly deserve one but not at our expense :angry:

 

[sharktooth]

As long as USAPA's official positions are thus;

1. DOH/LOS for furloughs is a cornerstone of USAPA's vision for a combined seniority list and any member must accept and support this concept.

Let me help you with your phraseology.

1. DOH/LOS for furloughs is a cornerstone of USAPA's vision for a combined seniority list and any member must accept and support this concepts.

There you go. That now comports with reality.

2. USAPPA's reps are appointed, are not subject to recall and are thus not accountable to the membership.

In other words, you will join when they hold elections. OK, better time your "join up" so you do not miss out on the opportunity to vote.

3. USAPPA intends to negotiate a contract that primarily protects the interests of the east pilots and because USAPA has all the votes it needs to ratify a contract the votes of the west pilots are superfluous.

Minorities can get their way. Happens all the time in Congress.

point: until you join, you are not even a minority. You, my friend, at this point, are a "nothing" when it comes to pilot union matters.

 

[Phoenix]

... Now if USAPA wants to waste more money attacking the very pilots that it pretends to represent..

The accused are defendants in a law suit. D e f e n d a n t s. Not victims.

Victims are what ALPA prefers to call retirees (that paid dues for thirty years but don't have a pension anymore). <_<

 

[hp_fa]

Actually, the defendants ** were ** defendants in a lawsuit, unless USAPA has already refiled.

 

[Phoenix]

ALPA tended not to sue it's membership. That is the primary difference.

When did the accused become members? When did members send special gifts in the mail?

 

[oldiebutgoody]

When did the accused become members? When did members send special gifts in the mail?

Details, details.