US pilot labor thread 7/5-7/12

[cleardirect]

And our group did not disregard our agreement, because our group did not enter into the agreement in the first place.

Your group? Would that be the AAA pilots? At the time the agreement was signed your group was ALPA. A majority of you elected the local leaders of the organization. A majority of you voiced your opinion that you demanded DOH and would not allow any deviation from that position. Your group, the majority formed your merger committee and developed your arbitration strategy.

Are any former ALPA members now USAPA members? So absolutely yes your group did enter into that arbitration agreement. You can not even say that it was a bunch of guys that have retired. It is the same majority that agreed to binding arbitration that voted to dump ALPA. USAPA inherits all of those contracts and agreements

Just because you change your name does not change that fact that you agreed to what Nicolau decided.

If you change your name do you not still owe the balance of your mortgage? If the United States changed our name to The Northern Union of States would all of the national debt just disappear?

If AWAPPA changed their name would the law suit drop because they did not have anything to do with the frivolous law suit?

You can delude yourself however you want. Facts are facts rules are rules. Your group agreed to binding arbitration and are now ignoring that.

 

[sharktooth]

You can delude yourself however you want. Facts are facts rules are rules. Your group agreed to binding arbitration and are now ignoring that.

Interesting how that works. Isn't it? and it is legal, too! As opposed to sending feces through the mail.

 

[cleardirect]

If I have to spell it out for the westies...it's worse than I thought.

It's the Nicolau Award. Do I have to spell it out for the easties?

 

[oldiebutgoody]

[Deleted by Moderator] No personal attacks.
The thought that guys that were working on this property without being furloughed for 17-20 years should get furloughed before guys hired in 2004 and 2005 is assanine.

 

[sharktooth]

The thought that guys that were working on this proerty without being furloughed for 17-20 years should get furloughed before guys heird in 2004 and 2005 is assanine.

Good one.

It always comes down to the "nic", doesn't it?

 

[flybynite]

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[cleardirect]

Interesting how that works. Isn't it? and it is legal, too! As opposed to sending feces through the mail.

Explain how ignoring binding arbitration by changing your name is “legalâ€￾?

You must be talking about what USAPA has been sending to the west.

 

[cleardirect]

Through your posts we know what kind of an idiot YOU are. Why not just stop PROVING it to everyone by posting more STUPIDITY?

Thank you!

Once again proving your entire repartee of wit involves personal insults and attacks.

How about just once in a while adding something to the conversation instead of insults.

OK Sunshine.

The thought that guys that were working on this property without being furloughed for 17-20 years should get furloughed before guys hired in 2004 and 2005 is assanine.

I guess you had better speak to Nicolau and your merger committee about that.

 

[elixir]

Why don't you respond to the $64 dollar question...sir. How do you justify the Nic when it suggestes a 20+ year UNFURLOUGHED East guys winds up junior to a 2 YEAR WEST UNFURLOUGHED guy...

I'll just sit quietly and hold my breath while you bang around with that one....

As preposterous as that sounds...that is EXACTLY why ALPA is gone...because idiotic decisions get handed down once in awhile...and this was just one more (actually the last) in a long list of idiotic decisions sanctioned by ALPA.

Like it or not...it is over...ALPA is over, the lawyers can fight it out as they see fit, and as the dollars last. Your position is clear....and so is the Easts'

I guess we will see you in court....until you run out of money.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Your group? Would that be the AAA pilots? At the time the agreement was signed your group was ALPA. A majority of you elected the local leaders of the organization. A majority of you voiced your opinion that you demanded DOH and would not allow any deviation from that position. Your group, the majority formed your merger committee and developed your arbitration strategy.

Are any former ALPA members now USAPA members? So absolutely yes your group did enter into that arbitration agreement. You can not even say that it was a bunch of guys that have retired. It is the same majority that agreed to binding arbitration that voted to dump ALPA. USAPA inherits all of those contracts and agreements

Just because you change your name does not change that fact that you agreed to what Nicolau decided.

If you change your name do you not still owe the balance of your mortgage? If the United States changed our name to The Northern Union of States would all of the national debt just disappear?

If AWAPPA changed their name would the law suit drop because they did not have anything to do with the frivolous law suit?

You can delude yourself however you want. Facts are facts rules are rules. Your group agreed to binding arbitration and are now ignoring that.

No Einstein, we did not just change our name, we changed everything; and nothing is binding but death and taxes.

Does today's circumstances seem like a delusion to you?

We did not ignore binding arbitration. In plain sight and full view of all stakeholders and interested parties, and with full compliance of the law, we bulldozed right over it.

The more you post, the less you convince. But keep it up - I'm having fun.

 

[Tiger 1050]

Why don't you respond to the $64 dollar question...sir. How do you justify the Nic when it suggestes a 20+ year UNFURLOUGHED East guys winds up junior to a 2 YEAR WEST UNFURLOUGHED guy...

I'll just sit quietly and hold my breath while you bang around with that one....

As preposterous as that sounds...that is EXACTLY why ALPA is gone...because idiotic decisions get handed down once in awhile...and this was just one more (actually the last) in a long list of idiotic decisions sanctioned by ALPA.

Like it or not...it is over...ALPA is over, the lawyers can fight it out as they see fit, and as the dollars last. Your position is clear....and so is the Easts'

I guess we will see you in court....until you run out of money.

To be fair could you provide the initials, Nic #, etc. of the 20+ year guy so we can see for ourselves that this happened. Thanks.

 

[767jetz]

Why don't you respond to the $64 dollar question...sir. How do you justify the Nic when it suggestes a 20+ year UNFURLOUGHED East guys winds up junior to a 2 YEAR WEST UNFURLOUGHED guy...

elixir,

I know you do not agree with what I'm about to say. But keep in mind the intention is only to answer your question and to explain the opinion of those who disagree with the DOH method of integration. The justification is that in the case of AW and US, a 2 year West pilot and a 20 year East pilot held the same position before the merger. Absent the merger, they were both junior pilots, on the junior equipment, probably on reserve, and near the bottom of the list. They were both subject to furlough in a downturn, as well as being years from a higher position. The justification of the placement of the two in the same part of the merged list by Nicolau (and those who agree) is that post merger, nothing has changed in the reality of the 2 pilots. They are still junior pilots on the junior equipment on reserve and near the bottom of the new list.

Why the West pilot of 2 years, or the East pilot of 20 years was at the bottom of their respective lists was a result of events and circumstances at each airline prior to the merger. I know there are many other intricacies of a merger that makes these things far more complex than a person could describe in one paragraph. But again, I'm just trying to shed some light on your opponents perspective.

 

[cleardirect]

No Einstein, we did not just change our name, we changed everything; and nothing is binding but death and taxes.

Best be careful with that attitude. Parker and the boys could take your advice and believe you. That POS contract you have may be a dream if he decides to do what the east did. Ignore a contract. Why can’t Parker impose what ever he sees fit? The TA with minimum aircraft. Bulldozed right over it in plain sight of USAPA.

We did not ignore binding arbitration. In plain sight and full view of all stakeholders and interested parties, and with full compliance of the law, we bulldozed right over it.

We will see. When a contract eventually emerges. We will see if you can ignore binding arbitration or not.

The more you post, the less you convince. But keep it up - I'm having fun.

What? Are you saying that I had you convinced at some point but now you are less convinced?

 

[JetMonkey]

No Einstein, we did not just change our name, we changed everything; and nothing is binding but death and taxes. Will see about that.


We did not ignore binding arbitration. In plain sight and full view of all stakeholders and interested parties, and with full compliance of the law, we bulldozed right over it. That a good analogy, I like it. And it fits the east way of handling things, no regard for any rules or compliance. But that bulldozer will eventually hit a impenetrable wall with a judge sitting on top. Enjoy your ride while you have it.

 

[cleardirect]

elixir,

I know you do not agree with what I'm about to say. But keep in mind the intention is only to answer your question and to explain the opinion of those who disagree with the DOH method of integration. The justification is that in the case of AW and US, a 2 year West pilot and a 20 year East pilot held the same position before the merger. Absent the merger, they were both junior pilots, on the junior equipment, probably on reserve, and near the bottom of the list. They were both subject to furlough in a downturn, as well as being years from a higher position. The justification of the placement of the two in the same part of the merged list by Nicolau (and those who agree) is that post merger, nothing has changed in the reality of the 2 pilots. They are still junior pilots on the junior equipment on reserve and near the bottom of the new list.

Why the West pilot of 2 years, or the East pilot of 20 years was at the bottom of their respective lists was a result of events and circumstances at each airline prior to the merger. I know there are many other intricacies of a merger that makes these things far more complex than a person could describe in one paragraph. But again, I'm just trying to shed some light on your opponents perspective.

Thank you! That is probably the most accurate succinct description of this integration yet.