US Pilots' Labor Discussion 11/17-11/30..ALL Pilot Labor Issues Discussed HERE

[nic4us]

I sense a great disturbance in the force is about to occur. Other than the spectacular win in front of Judge Wake, I have seen nothing other than the usual hate mail here to challenge my supreme intellect. I look forward to our dual 15 minutes of fame!

RR

A great disturbance in the force? Well tell me young Skywalker, will this disturbance emanate from a decision in the 9th, a loss of the loa93 grievance, the BOS closure, the objector's arbitration feb 10th, the dismissal of the Cactus 18 suit at the appelate level and future multi-million dollar countersuits the harrassed bring upon the association of fools, the looming damages trial, or some other yet unknown issue still buried in the great hole usapa continues to dig for itself?

Our 15 minutes of fame has expired, usapa's lifetime of shame will end come april. The ruling from Wake is not spectacular, merely a precursor of the mountain of litigation that will come and fill the usapa hole, burying those holding the shovels (and/or gavels) in the presidents office, and quite possibly send them the way of a West section 29 offender.

I myself, have decided to ramp up the hate mail, not to challenge your intellect, but to accentuate my ever increasing disdain for the morons in Charlotte who need the coming lesson in rehabilitation.

 

[hp_fa]

I wonder if Reed is playing the part of the old Skywalker and heeding the instructions of the Emperor.

 

[luvn737s]

Yoda says, "Rope an up he should pea."

 

[nic4us]

Yoda says, "Rope an up he should pea."

Now that is why I read this board! Thanks Luvn.

 

[luvn737s]

I thought this would be a more appropriate venue to discuss the matter:

I was unqualified, but still was able to win 3 elections to ALPA office by a large margin, having not participated in union work for over 20 years.

Do you have a concise summary of the major accomplishments you made during your tenure in office? In what specific ways did you advance the profession. such that your provenance of service in ALPA gives credence to your influence in USAPA.


BB's point (if I am interpreting him properly) is that without the power or relevance to influence the airline from the outside, USAPA is forced to play within the limits of the TA if they want to hold the company accountable.

Grandstanding and vain attempts to "shame" the company into doing right by the pilots is empty narcissism by folks bent on cultivating a cult of personality in lieu of producing real tangible results.

 

[BoeingBoy]

BB's point (if I am interpreting him properly)...

Take out the $3 words and the union politics and you'll have it. My point was simple - if the company is violating the TA by closing bases without providing the economic justification a grievance carries a lot more weight than informational picketing. USAPA can attempt to accomplish something (through a grievance) or hold some "feel good" activities. To paraphrase what I said in the original snippet that apparently started all this, though, I presume that the company wouldn't be so stupid as to not meet the TA requirement. Assuming that's the case all the informational picketing in the world won't change the decision. So what was actually accomplished by the picketing other than letting those that participated feel the glow of being "good union pilots"?

I did just read that USAPA has written the DOJ asking for an investigation of the DL/US slot transaction (Article). That may or may not have any ultimate effect but at least it is an attempt to accomplish something and was more than "Let's march in circles again"...

Jim

 

[luvn737s]

I did just read that USAPA has written the DOJ asking for an investigation of the DL/US slot transaction (Article). That may or may not have any ultimate effect but at least it is an attempt to accomplish something and was more than "Let's march in circles again"...

Jim

Except that yet again they have painted themselves into a corner by opposing the very same anti-trust gray areas that may hold the key to their careers in any future mergers.

 

[BoeingBoy]

anti-trust gray areas that may hold the key to their careers in any future mergers.

Just personal opinion, but my 2 cents worth is a that greater concentration of DCA slots in US' hands means a bigger problem in a merger (although admittedly how much bigger depends on who the partner is) than the status quo. The more US or the merger partners have to divest the fewer jobs there would be at the merged carrier.

Aside from that, however, at least the request to the DOJ might result in the DOJ putting some pressure on management. Or the DOJ could just ignore it as "labor-management squabbling during negotiations". Either way, it's an attempt to do something instead of just another "strongly worded letter" or "marching in circles", which are all but guaranteed to accomplish nothing.

Jim

 

[Reed Richards]

I thought this would be a more appropriate venue to discuss the matter:

Do you have a concise summary of the major accomplishments you made during your tenure in office? In what specific ways did you advance the profession. such that your provenance of service in ALPA gives credence to your influence in USAPA.

The "elections" reference was a very inside joke, one I will never explain to you. My tenure(s) in office were prequels to the main event, lessons were well learned and ALPA is no longer here failing this particular pilot group. And I include the West pilots in that "group." Thank goodness the original founders of USAPA were able to finish the job JMack and gang could not.

As to "advancing the profession" that is indeed a work in progress. Not batting a thousand, but the game is nowhere close to over.

RR

 

[Reed Richards]

Just personal opinion, but my 2 cents worth is a that greater concentration of DCA slots in US' hands means a bigger problem in a merger (although admittedly how much bigger depends on who the partner is) than the status quo. The more US or the merger partners have to divest the fewer jobs there would be at the merged carrier.

Aside from that, however, at least the request to the DOJ might result in the DOJ putting some pressure on management. Or the DOJ could just ignore it as "labor-management squabbling during negotiations". Either way, it's an attempt to do something instead of just another "strongly worded letter" or "marching in circles", which are all but guaranteed to accomplish nothing.

Jim

I will be sure and pass along your sentiments to the pilots who walked the line in BOS. And will also let the folks soon to walk on Wall Street, LAS, and hopefully LGA what a retired pilot from the bid closing committee thinks about how useless their efforts are.

You seem to have no grasp of the fact that union activities are to be taken as a whole, and not dissected act by act. Maybe you need to think about what the picketing in BOS meant to the hundreds of families being uprooted. It is not always about you and your comfort zone. I find your reference to "marching in circles" offensive on so many levels that I think my tone of engagement will change forever with you. I guess that is why I never laid eyes on you at any previous picketing event..you were simply too smart for us all.

RR

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

The "elections" reference was a very inside joke, one I will never explain to you. My tenure(s) in office were prequels to the main event, lessons were well learned and ALPA is no longer here failing this particular pilot group. And I include the West pilots in that "group." Thank goodness the original founders of USAPA were able to finish the job JMack and gang could not.

As to "advancing the profession" that is indeed a work in progress. Not batting a thousand, but the game is nowhere close to over.

RR

I undertands the original founders of usapa are none to happy with it's direction, notwithstaning east/west and nic issues. Usapa is fast on it's way to batting a thousand, in shooting itself in the foot.

 

[Reed Richards]

I undertands the original founders of usapa are none to happy with it's direction, notwithstaning east/west and nic issues. Usapa is fast on it's way to being a profundous failure of biblionic proportion, as the great Don King perhaps would put it.

On the contrary, I talk to the founders on a daily basis. If you can pull back from the fog of daily events, they are very happy with the overall path this union is taking. Politics is messy and not much fun to watch, much less participate in. Different leaders have different styles, but the overall goals remain the same.

Let there be no doubt, the current leaders of USAPA are acting with the exact same goals in mind as the founders. By the way, I will incorporate the work "biblionic" in my future communications. I have not looked that one up so see if it is legit..but I like it.

RR

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

On the contrary, I talk to the founders on a daily basis. If you can pull back from the fog of daily events, they are very happy with the overall path this union is taking. Politics is messy and not much fun to watch, much less participate in. Different leaders have different styles, but the overall goals remain the same.

Let there be no doubt, the current leaders of USAPA are acting with the exact same goals in mind as the founders. By the way, I will incorporate the work "biblionic" in my future communications. I have not looked that one up so see if it is legit..but I like it.

RR

Believe it or not, I think biblionic may be a real word. I remember once, just for fun I looked up a couple words DK used and oddly enough one or two were real.

 

[73320]

The "elections" reference was a very inside joke, one I will never explain to you. My tenure(s) in office were prequels to the main event, lessons were well learned and ALPA is no longer here failing this particular pilot group. And I include the West pilots in that "group." Thank goodness the original founders of USAPA were able to finish the job JMack and gang could not.

As to "advancing the profession" that is indeed a work in progress. Not batting a thousand, but the game is nowhere close to over.

RR

You come across as one of the most narcissistic, pompous and arrogant Usapians to be wiped across these pages. I would be willing to bet that the west pilots prefer you not include them in anything that you dream up. The "lessons" appear to the rest of the profession as a decade long "GED work in progress". I am betting real dollars that your class will be dismissed before your disbelieving eyes. There will likely not be any summer school as the institution will finally find its long sough resting place. Best of luck in your future endeavors!

 

[luvn737s]

The "elections" reference was a very inside joke, one I will never explain to you.

Gee, you really know how to hurt a guy <sniff, sniffle,sob>