US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Ames]

Deflection?

Wait a minute. The former america west pilots flew drugs, crossed picket lines, flew drunk, stole from the company computers the personal information about the east pilots and other crimes, while the former america west management stood by and did nothing.

The former america west ceo and now Usairways ceo has a history of driving drunk and was arrested for the same in the last few years. Now former america west management team member and now VP of Usairways Scott Kirby was disorderly on a flight from PHL to Manchester England.

It is not mudslinging, it is the truth that all the Usairways employees and investors should be concerned about. Try to defend any of these actions. No wonder Usairways is in a tail spin.

Deflection at its best. You have no argument germane to the actual discussion so you bring all of this crap up. Word up, genius, Kirby is the President, not the VP.... but who cares about facts when an easthole speaks.

 

[Ames]

Option 3 The company splits this thing up, sells the WEST, with your contract and the WEST F/A's and has all your frivolous litigation thrown out, NO CONTRACT, NO NIC! MM! A risk thing! You sue USAPA for DFR only to have it tossed, good luck!

Spoken like a true dipshit on crack.

 

[767jetz]

As far as east pilots? It definitely puts off a contract. But also keeps the wheels spinning forever.

Yup. Which makes more of the fence sitters reconsider their support, and makes the likelihood of USAPA's replacement, or at least reform and new constitution and leadership, that much greater. Not everyone on the east benefits from delay. Not everyone on the east benefits from the lackluster attrition. Some were waiting for some kind of victory, either in court or with Kasher. Neither has produced the desired result. USAPA was voted in by a small margin. Don't think for a minute that this loss has not shaken some confidence in Seham, the union leadership, and the path taken so far.

 

[sumadarson]

Deflection at its best. You have no argument germane to the actual discussion so you bring all of this crap up. Word up, genius, Kirby is the President, not the VP.... but who cares about facts when an easthole speaks.

A drunk running a company with an assistant that acts disorderly on a flight on his own airline is a concern. You are used to this working for america west, the rest of the world is not.

 

[sumadarson]

Yup. Which makes more of the fence sitters reconsider their support, and makes the likelihood of USAPA's replacement, or at least reform and new constitution and leadership, that much greater. Not everyone on the east benefits from delay. Not everyone on the east benefits from the lackluster attrition. Some were waiting for some kind of victory, either in court or with Kasher. Neither has produced the desired result. USAPA was voted in by a small margin. Don't think for a minute that this loss has not shaken some confidence in Seham, the union leadership, and the path taken so far.

Jetz you work for united airlines, your membership wants to recall their leader of alpa.

How is the contract going? Never mind, I will post the truth of the united airlines snail pace.

united alpa pilots update follows;

""Our MEC met with the CAL-MEC on Tuesday to discuss our collective future. It is clear that face-to-face meetings of our MECs are beneficial. This applies across our ranks as well. I encourage you to make the effort to engage our fellow pilots at CAL, whether it is at a Family Awareness event, an informational picket or in your travels throughout the system. It is a pleasure to meet and speak with Continental pilots and find we have the same concerns. Building unity and sharing our histories will be the key to our collective success.

Progress of negotiations continues to be both our main focus and biggest frustration. Our meeting this week with management in an effort to expedite negotiations did not produce the desired results. As I have said, we need the right contract, right now.

We also have growing concerns regarding the company’s race to an SOC (single operating certificate). We, the pilots of both United and Continental who will combine to make up the new United pilot corps, exemplify our professionalism on the forefront of safety and security on every flight, every day. The airline industry’s historic levels of safety are no accident and ALPA pilots and our safety, security and training committee experts have been at the forefront of efforts in continuously improving airline safety. The new management has been reluctant to take full advantage of this invaluable expertise, which raises serious questions about their understanding and commitment to a robust safety culture at United Airlines going forward. It is not enough for management to say safety is the number one priority. Their walk needs to match their talk.

Our pilots will not accept the disregard for the continued contributions we have made for the sake of this airline and to allow it to prosper. We have been more than patient and reasonable.
The pilots want the new United to be economically viable. On this we agree with management. We want to return to flying for the best airline in the world. If this management wants the same, as they say they do, they must utilize and recognize our expertise and contributions to flight operations, safety and security, and compensate our pilots properly through an industry-leading contract. We've done our part. Our patience is running out.""

 

[sumadarson]

Impressed jetz, you have faa physicals finished, with seniority and love that reduction in personnel. You have the company on their knees jetz.

Please sir, pontificate and teach other pilots unions, you are setting such a great example alpa paid shill. What a joke.


jetz awesome progress for ual pilots

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

Yup. Which makes more of the fence sitters reconsider their support, and makes the likelihood of USAPA's replacement, or at least reform and new constitution and leadership, that much greater. Not everyone on the east benefits from delay. Not everyone on the east benefits from the lackluster attrition. Some were waiting for some kind of victory, either in court or with Kasher. Neither has produced the desired result. USAPA was voted in by a small margin. Don't think for a minute that this loss has not shaken some confidence in Seham, the union leadership, and the path taken so far.

Actually USAPA might win the election by 600-700 votes next time. One thing ALPA was able to do the last time around was scare the helpless, i.e, those on LTD. They convinced them their benefit would be in question with a representational election. For several months they received literature to that effect almost daily. Not only did that not happen, but after the election USAPA won a grievance on their behalf that restored a sizable amount of retirement contribution money that US Airways had withheld. I know several who voted for ALPA because of it. Obviously it didn't happen, it was all scare tactics and their disgust is such that not only would they vote for USAPA this time, they would never sign a card. Others they know who were in the same boat and had been out on LTD for sometime bought into it and feel the same way now. There was an easy 200 votes ALPA picked up with their deep pockets and ability to bombard the mailbox with fear mongering that is forever lost to them. That is a net 400 vote shift in favor of USAPA. You couple that with the hardening of attitudes that juvenile antics have caused over the last six years and I think you couldn't be more off.

 

[sumadarson]

Don't think for a minute that this loss has not shaken some confidence in Seham, the union leadership, and the path taken so far.

Your idiot united airlines alpa mec signed a transition agreement that allows them to furlough united pilots only, by the end of the year, no continental pilots. The company will be playing you guys against each other, just like Usairways. You should of done a lot of less posting and more reading on this forum, but hell, you are so much smarter than the rest of the posters.

Your united alpa union path is down a doggy trail that does not require the leash holders to carry dogie bags.

 

[Freebird]

A drunk running a company with an assistant that acts disorderly on a flight on his own airline is a concern. You are used to this working for america west, the rest of the world is not.

Yeah, thats true, you are used to being Pimped by:

Wolf
Gangwal
Lakefield
USAPA
Seham
AOL
and now Parker and Kirby.

Wouldnt have to be that way, except for the fact that USAPA has no leverage. No Unity. Impotence.

USAPA = Turning Tricks

 

[767one]

The piont, Einstien, is that the maintanence is being deferred for too long.

The 76's are normally good flying machines despite their ages....but they do have to be maintained like any other jet.

team Tempe? It's certainly no one else making those decisions....that's why it's called management.


Bob,

I do have the pictures....just didn't think I should post them here. 😉

Mr. Breeze,

When I got a 76 like that I took a picture of the aircraft (it looked like it had been shot down and sat in the desert for 5 yrs) the fully mel covered logbook and then had a flight attendant take a picture of myself and the f/o all dressed up in full uniform (with hat) and sent them to Dave I won't just take the money and run Siegel and never heard a word back but I felt it had to be done.


Regards,


Bob

 

[Freebird]

Option 3 The company splits this thing up, sells the WEST, with your contract and the WEST F/A's and has all your frivolous litigation thrown out, NO CONTRACT, NO NIC! MM! A risk thing! You sue USAPA for DFR only to have it tossed, good luck!

Rainman,

Did you get the "Company Split" idea from your Magic-8 Ball or your Peter Pan Coloring Book? Go easy on the Scratch'n Sniff ink. The fumes may be getting to you.


USAPA = We are afraid to let the pilots vote.

 

[sumadarson]

767 jetz, let me know if my characterization of your plight is unfair. If you do I will post the transition agreement of ual and cal pilots.

Please feel free to let me know. Good day sir.

 

[sumadarson]

This is great, I love the smell of fear in a united alpa paid shill in the evening.

 

[Metroyet]

Metro, this is a great deal for the east. You are going to be locked up for years with no merger. Possibly 5-10. No raises at all. At least the east gets 3% each yr. A total Nic kill. Meanwhile, the upgrades and widebodies just keep getting staffed and the raises go on and on. This is fantastic. The way things are going, we will NEVER merge this abortion, and that is the objective! If that is a spanking, sign me up!

You're right. This is WONDERFUL news for the East. This is EXACTLY what $e$ham was hoping for...a judicial review of your behavior.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Actually USAPA might win the election by 600-700 votes next time. One thing ALPA was able to do the last time around was scare the helpless, i.e, those on LTD. They convinced them their benefit would be in question with a representational election. For several months they received literature to that effect almost daily. Not only did that not happen, but after the election USAPA won a grievance on their behalf that restored a sizable amount of retirement contribution money that US Airways had withheld. I know several who voted for ALPA because of it. Obviously, it was all scare tactics and their disgust is such that not only would they vote for USAPA this time, they would never sign a card. Others they know who were in the same boat and had been out on LTD for sometime bought into it and feel the same way now. There was an easy 200 votes ALPA picked up with their deep pockets and ability to bombard they mailbox with fear mongering that is forever lost to them. That is a net 400 vote shift in favor of USAPA. You couple that with the hardening of attitudes that juvenile antics have caused over the last six years and I think you couldn't be more off.

I call it Alpo dreamin. As a west guy I have no trouble buying what you just laid out. I doubt I'll live long enough to see a card drive much less alpo itself. Not that that makes me happy necessarily, but that's what the realist in me sees. I hear to many west guys saying that 'once this happens, and that happens, then we can get a card drive going, and......'

Alpo dreamin. Ah, never mind me, I just got up on the wrong side of the bed I guess. Maybe a trip to the gym will help.