US Pilots Labor Discussion

[end_of_alpa]

I graduated high school in 1987... that was a good year!

It certainly was.

Good luck.

 

[crazystnic]

Kirby has made a very clear statement about framentation at a crew news. A number close to zero. It would be like trying to fragment Piedmont.

So yes I will take it as fact that we are not going to fragment. the facts are on my side as far as logistics.

If you think differently tell us how, who what, when and where. Hoping you guys go to another airline is not fact. Make your case, show your work.

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Now you believe Kirby.. You are truly funny

 

[nic4us]

turn key infastructure on the whole east coast. Basically what UAL has tried and failed (reason their interest in merging in the past) And something AA would probably like also....

Next...

Turn key infrastructure that is now owned and operated by LCC, a Delaware corporation with its headquarters in Tempe Arizona (not "the east") and if a fragmentation were to occur , it would likely go along fleet lines, (who has half the 320 fleet?).

Oh, and what is the only company accepted system seniority list at LCC?

PS...if you have an AAA hire date of March '87 like End-of-ALPA...you are pretty junior in the fragmentaion scenario.

 

[crazystnic]

So you're junior to me then.

Not so fast junior.. your drooling in stealing his seat is pugnant

 

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Now you believe Kirby.. You are truly funny

Yet you believe and quote Parker when he says AWA was going to be BK and we would be on the street.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Turn key infrastructure that is now owned and operated by LCC, a Delaware corporation with its headquarters in Tempe Arizona (not "the east") and if a fragmentation were to occur , it would likely go along fleet lines, (who has half the 320 fleet?).

Oh, and what is the only company accepted system seniority list at LCC?

PS...if you have an AAA hire date of March '87 like End-of-ALPA...you are pretty junior in the fragmentaion scenario.

It would likely go along fleet lines? What is the company accepted system seniority list? Man you need an education! MM!

 

[Phoenix]

It would likely go along fleet lines? What is the company accepted system seniority list? Man you need an education! MM!

Just a couple of days ago the West was rejoicing about Silver's decision to hear the Company's DJ... but they failed to understand a key premise. Silver acknowledges what the 9th said.... The Nic is a bargaining position and there ain't no thing such as a so-called accepted seniority list. The company has been ordered by the 9th to bargain seniority with USAPA, so says the company, and so agrees Silver, otherwise there would be no need for a DJ. B a r g a i n i n g P o s i t i o n....... I n t e r n a l U n i o n D i s p u t e.......

 

[end_of_alpa]

Turn key infrastructure that is now owned and operated by LCC, a Delaware corporation with its headquarters in Tempe Arizona (not "the east") and if a fragmentation were to occur , it would likely go along fleet lines, (who has half the 320 fleet?).

Oh, and what is the only company accepted system seniority list at LCC?

PS...if you have an AAA hire date of March '87 like End-of-ALPA...you are pretty junior in the fragmentaion scenario.

I DO have a March 1987 hire date. Accepted. Not implimented. Well be in court for quite sometime. Get used to it.

I do not believe well fragment. However, if we were to fragment hubs are real estate that are the most valuable asset (location, location, location). Fleet types can be bought or sold like food and water. I know how you wish to cheery pick what Parker and Kirby say that you want to believe supports your arguments. But Parker said that PHX (and LAS) as a standalone hub didn't have the revenue strength to support itself without the MERGER (notice I didn't say acquisition).

You can say I'm junior all you want. That part of the equation will not play out for quite some time. Continue at your (job) peril.

Good luck.

 

[Pi brat]

I graduated high school in 1987... that was a good year!

Sure you did. The year you left Burger King and got your GED, maybe.

Typical gen x entitlement attitude, just like most of the ones I graduated from high school with had.

You never answered my question, are you currently a captain?

 

[Pi brat]

dupe

 

[Pi brat]

So you're junior to me then.

Only when you go to bed, say your prayers and have your sweet dreams of being an A330 capt. He is east, you are west and as of today the only east pilots you might be senior to are the few furloughed guys that decided to come east to get a flying job.

end of alpa says he is early '87, so he can hold 320 capt, 33 capt, 330 F/O, 76 F/O EMB capt. Any west pilot on the Nic beside him on the Nic holding anything like that now? Don't bother, I know the answer, and that is what is killing you.

 

[Metroyet]

Just a couple of days ago the West was rejoicing about Silver's decision to hear the Company's DJ... but they failed to understand a key premise. Silver acknowledges what the 9th said.... The Nic is a bargaining position and there ain't no thing such as a so-called accepted seniority list. The company has been ordered by the 9th to bargain seniority with USAPA, so says the company, and so agrees Silver, otherwise there would be no need for a DJ. B a r g a i n i n g P o s i t i o n....... I n t e r n a l U n i o n D i s p u t e.......

Here is an undisputed fact. Lee sesham fought tooth and nail to keep the dj from being heard. He failed. Once again. No matter how the dj comes out, lee sesham is responsible for keeping all of you on LOA93 for a year longer than you would have in any circumstance. What is that? 35k for captains and something slightly less for fo's?

Keep those donations coming! Parker and sesham are getting filthy rich off of you.

 

[Phoenix]

Here is an undisputed fact.....

I know. I know.. Change the subject. 🙄 Maybe you can bring up martians next. Anything except the 9th.

 

[snapthis]

The fact that you are getting negative comments from east posters shows that this thing is being driven by the junior core of pilots who were furloughed for a good portion of their careers, yet decided to tough it out hoping to one day recover what they have lost.

I can't really say that I blame the west for digging in their heals. It is the east who has pounded them for years now, enduring the name calling, and the bullying with Rico suits and such. This latest loss by Seham sheds some more light on the position the courts might take. Combine that with the way you (the east collectively) have treated the west and you've given them little reason to not follow through.

The whole industry sees what these people have done. You won't see one West pilot wearing their anti-union badge backers. I came across a story of how a SW pilot felt about it. These people have created an association which is a stain on unionism. :angry:


Had a SWA FO who was following the USAPA drama. He had a East pilot requesting the JS. Prior to going to the back he directed the JS rider to remove the "Scab" union pilot backer. Captain may let you ride but I am telling you NOT to expose our passengers to your scab attempt to undermine industry seniority norms. (UNION PILOT red badge backer)

 

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Just a couple of days ago the West was rejoicing about Silver's decision to hear the Company's DJ... but they failed to understand a key premise. Silver acknowledges what the 9th said.... The Nic is a bargaining position and there ain't no thing such as a so-called accepted seniority list. The company has been ordered by the 9th to bargain seniority with USAPA, so says the company, and so agrees Silver, otherwise there would be no need for a DJ. B a r g a i n i n g P o s i t i o n....... I n t e r n a l U n i o n D i s p u t e.......

How many times can you be wrong let me count the ways.

The only thing the ninth said was that Addington was not ripe. She took great pains on 2 points of law to say that the company DJ is ripe.

A bargaining position? You do understand that usapa's DOH is just a bargaining position too. But in order to get to that position you have to have someone to bargain with. The company will not do anything but use the Nicolau unless the court tells them they can.

The ninth did not order the company to to bargain seniority. Nowhere did they say that. If they did judge Silver would have dismissed the case and said the ninth settled this case. Read a brief. If the ninth said bargain the company would not be asking if they can still use Nicolau.

Internal union dispute. Why is it in court?