US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

I was under the impression SWA did not want to use DOH. A SWA pilot does not care when an Air Tran pilot was hired, but feels the Air Tran pilot is getting a benefit from the merger that is irrelevant to when s/he became an Air Tran pilot, but has everything to do with how and when s/he becam a SWA pilot.

In other words, the SWA pilot believes each case turns on its own merit, and in this case the Air Tran pilots DOH is only relevant to their position amongst their peers at a stand alone Air Tran.

Pretty much the same as everybody who has commented in the past 20 years has determined to be the case. Well everybody except the scabs at usapa.

Of course the SoutWest pilots think Air Tran pilots should consider themselves lucky to be stapled. What point are you trying to make? ... That only special pilot groups can argue to staple others? Have no fear, we all think America West pilots are special. Especially you Nic.

 

[cleardirect]

alpa expertise and how it is helping united, continental pilots, who by the way have the largest amount of pilot scabs ever put together in a merger of the pilot's airlines.

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

hey united alpa brothers and mostly sisters, we have the faa exam, crew compliment, reduction in personal, seniority ( woo is seniority part of a cba) ready to go.

SHAME

Latest alpa expertise for the united pilots,

usapa has been on at US Airways for over three years now. ALPA does not look like it is going to come back anytime soon. Let it go. Who cares what ALPA is doing. You are obsessed with ALPA for some reason.

How about you list all of the accomplishments that usapa has done in the last 3 years. Oh yeah very short short list. Guess you have to talk about something else.

 

[sumadarson]

usapa has been on at US Airways for over three years now. ALPA does not look like ot os going to come back anytime soon. Let it go. Who cares what ALA is doing. You are obsessed with ALPA for some reason.

How about you list all of the accomplishments that usapa has done in the last 3 years. Oh yeah very short short list. Guess you have to talk about something else.

scabs

america west pilots

 

[sumadarson]

america west pilots

 

[sumadarson]

Trivia. What is the date of the last CBA for america west flight attendants signed??


america west management attitude to f/a's

any guesses?

 

[des nudo]

The whole industry sees what these people have done. You won't see one West pilot wearing their anti-union badge backers. I came across a story of how a SW pilot felt about it. These people have created an association which is a stain on unionism. :angry:


Had a SWA FO who was following the USAPA drama. He had a East pilot requesting the JS. Prior to going to the back he directed the JS rider to remove the "Scab" union pilot backer. Captain may let you ride but I am telling you NOT to expose our passengers to your scab attempt to undermine industry seniority norms. (UNION PILOT red badge backer)

Sorry mate, but thats complete horse####. I have been visiting in the states and i ride on SW all the time.
Most recently, this is the deal:
(25 year CA and 10 year FO)
FO- this is bull####, now I'm never gonna upgrade...
CA- sure you will, what are you talikng about...?
FO- this stupid Airtran deal...all those guys are gonna hop in front of me...I have 10 years...
CA- No they're not...I'm on the XYZ board...I'm at the meetings...
FO- yeah? what is the deal?
CA- I don't want to use the word "staple"...but no Airtran pilot is taking your seniority...

DIRECT QUOTES.

 

[sumadarson]

america west pilots

Now, if an East pilot was hired in 1987, the america west pilots flew drugs in 1991, scabbed in Australia in 1992, spotted a ufo in 1995, flew drunk in Miami.............,,,,,,,,,,,,,???????????



Who is the more senior pilot?

 

[sumadarson]

any guesses?

The last america west flight attendant contract? I will give you a hint. It was only a few years after the america west pilots flew drugs and scabbed in Australia.

 

[flyinawa]

america west pilots

"Original" USAir Pilots:

7 June 1971; Allegheny Airlines Convair 580; New Haven, CT: The aircraft crashed about 3/8 of a mile (600 m) short of the runway threshold during landing in reduced visibility. Two of the three crew members and 26 of the 28 passengers were killed.

12 February 1979; Allegheny Airlines Mohawk 299; Clarksburg, VA: The aircraft crashed during takeoff due to snow on the wings. One of the three crew members and one of the 22 passengers were killed.

20 September 1989; USAir 737-400; La Guardia Airport, New York: The crew incorrectly trimmed the rudder for takeoff and were forced to abort the takeoff. The aircraft overran the runway and was partially submerged in water. Two of the 55 passengers were killed.

1 February 1991; USAir 737-300; Los Angeles, CA: The USAir flight was cleared to land on a runway which also had a Skywest Metro III on the runway awaiting takeoff. The aircraft collided and burst into flames. Two of the six crew members and 20 of the 83 passengers on the USAir jet were killed. All 10 passengers and two crew members on the Metro III were killed.


22 March 1992; USAir F28-4000; New York, NY: The aircraft crashed just after takeoff in snowy conditions due to icing on the aircraft's wings. Three of the four crew members and 24 of the 47 passengers were killed.

2 July 1994; USAir DC9-31; Charlotte, NC: The aircraft encountered heavy rain and wind shear during approach at about 3.5 miles (5.6 km) from the runway. The crew executed attempted to go around for another landing attempt, but the aircraft could not overcome the wind shear. All five crew members survived, but 37 of the 52 passengers were killed.

8 September 1994; USAir 737-300; near Pittsburgh, PA: The aircraft lost control at about 6,000 feet (1830 meters) during approach. All five crew members and 127 passengers were killed.

 

[sumadarson]

"Original" USAir Pilots:

You are quoting accidents, I am quoting crimes, illegal activity.

america west ceo

 

[des nudo]

"Original" USAir Pilots:

7 June 1971; Allegheny Airlines Convair 580; New Haven, CT: The aircraft crashed about 3/8 of a mile (600 m) short of the runway threshold during landing in reduced visibility. Two of the three crew members and 26 of the 28 passengers were killed.

12 February 1979; Allegheny Airlines Mohawk 299; Clarksburg, VA: The aircraft crashed during takeoff due to snow on the wings. One of the three crew members and one of the 22 passengers were killed.

20 September 1989; USAir 737-400; La Guardia Airport, New York: The crew incorrectly trimmed the rudder for takeoff and were forced to abort the takeoff. The aircraft overran the runway and was partially submerged in water. Two of the 55 passengers were killed.

1 February 1991; USAir 737-300; Los Angeles, CA: The USAir flight was cleared to land on a runway which also had a Skywest Metro III on the runway awaiting takeoff. The aircraft collided and burst into flames. Two of the six crew members and 20 of the 83 passengers on the USAir jet were killed. All 10 passengers and two crew members on the Metro III were killed.


22 March 1992; USAir F28-4000; New York, NY: The aircraft crashed just after takeoff in snowy conditions due to icing on the aircraft's wings. Three of the four crew members and 24 of the 47 passengers were killed.

2 July 1994; USAir DC9-31; Charlotte, NC: The aircraft encountered heavy rain and wind shear during approach at about 3.5 miles (5.6 km) from the runway. The crew executed attempted to go around for another landing attempt, but the aircraft could not overcome the wind shear. All five crew members survived, but 37 of the 52 passengers were killed.

8 September 1994; USAir 737-300; near Pittsburgh, PA: The aircraft lost control at about 6,000 feet (1830 meters) during approach. All five crew members and 127 passengers were killed.

Dipping pretty low, even by west standards...Ive read your own people frowning on this...

FAIL

 

[nevergiveup]

"Original" USAir Pilots:

7 June 1971; Allegheny Airlines Convair 580; New Haven, CT: The aircraft crashed about 3/8 of a mile (600 m) short of the runway threshold during landing in reduced visibility. Two of the three crew members and 26 of the 28 passengers were killed.

12 February 1979; Allegheny Airlines Mohawk 299; Clarksburg, VA: The aircraft crashed during takeoff due to snow on the wings. One of the three crew members and one of the 22 passengers were killed.

20 September 1989; USAir 737-400; La Guardia Airport, New York: The crew incorrectly trimmed the rudder for takeoff and were forced to abort the takeoff. The aircraft overran the runway and was partially submerged in water. Two of the 55 passengers were killed.

1 February 1991; USAir 737-300; Los Angeles, CA: The USAir flight was cleared to land on a runway which also had a Skywest Metro III on the runway awaiting takeoff. The aircraft collided and burst into flames. Two of the six crew members and 20 of the 83 passengers on the USAir jet were killed. All 10 passengers and two crew members on the Metro III were killed.


22 March 1992; USAir F28-4000; New York, NY: The aircraft crashed just after takeoff in snowy conditions due to icing on the aircraft's wings. Three of the four crew members and 24 of the 47 passengers were killed.

2 July 1994; USAir DC9-31; Charlotte, NC: The aircraft encountered heavy rain and wind shear during approach at about 3.5 miles (5.6 km) from the runway. The crew executed attempted to go around for another landing attempt, but the aircraft could not overcome the wind shear. All five crew members survived, but 37 of the 52 passengers were killed.

8 September 1994; USAir 737-300; near Pittsburgh, PA: The aircraft lost control at about 6,000 feet (1830 meters) during approach. All five crew members and 127 passengers were killed.

By posting this you are showing your youth and inexperience!

 

[doh nogo]

By posting this you are showing your youth and inexperience!

Tell us all what sumaradrson is showing by his postings. Please, let's have your honest assessment of a fellow east pilot.

 

[nic4us]

Now, if an East pilot was hired in 1987, the america west pilots flew drugs in 1991, scabbed in Australia in 1992, spotted a ufo in 1995, flew drunk in Miami.............,,,,,,,,,,,,,???????????



Who is the more senior pilot?

Easy question to answere.

The pilot whose name appears first on the Nic.

Now another question, if an east pilot is a '99 hire furloughee, who wants to scab his fellow pilot's job, why does he fixate on ALPA and UAL?

 

[nic4us]

You are quoting accidents, I am quoting crimes, illegal activity.

america west ceo

I am quoting a want to be scab!