US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nic4us]

I thought that was kind of foolish but typical of usapa myself. Cleary taking on all the liability for the pilots. It will not cost Cleary so what does he care.

It is going to be interesting when Cleary goes back to the line and fly as a normal puke. After 4 years of delivering nothing and lying to the pilots how will he be treated. As a hero or a theft that stole 4 years of contract improvements? Remember there is no national position for him to go hide from the pilots here. It may be a cold and lonely crew room for the king with no cloths.

Ripeness exactly! How can the court grant immunity for a future event? Besides, seniority is not the only DFR that can be filed. What is the rest of the contract going to look like? usapa decides to takes 99% of the contract for the east and leave the west with less than what we have now. DFR! Nothing to do with seniority but the court is going to give the company a legal pass on agreeing to that? Not likely!

Well, if I were to fly with him, he will be treated professionally, with a tendency of friendliness, deference to his position and an unwillingness to discuss his personal predicament.

He brings up any crap about who should be in which seat, I just smile, agree and say, too bad I am getting the paycheck, but I still ain't buying you dinner or a drink.

The guy is almost 54, so he has potentially 11 years to go. Maybe he can walk away at 55, and so there was no risk in it for him. Just do this gig until he loses the position and walk away.

It is not that Nic4us can't fly with Cleary, it is that Cleary may be too big a coward to fly with Nic4us.

 

[767one]

767,

Time to be honest with yourself, or at least get an education surrounding the facts here.

The West pilots have filed exactly one lawsuit...which by the way we obtained a favorable verdict. Due to this fact, the company cannot remain in the untenable position of joining usapa on the losing end of a lawsuit that would amount to hundreds of millions of dollars, the company has filed exactly one lawsuit. Everybody knows usapa's plan has been steal seniority through a DOH rewrite of the seniority list, or, if that is not allowed, steal it through forcing permanent seperate ops until the hammer comes down, then close shop and dump their debts on somebody else. (Just a reminder, it is possible to garnish SS and retirement income).

Now, the east pilots and usapa on the other hand, filed the first lawsuit in DC when the Nic was released. Walked away from the negotiating table. Filed the RICO suit. Filed every frivoulous motion imaginable both during Addington, during the Appeal, and now during the company's DJ, to stall every legal process. For you, an east pilot, to point the finger at the West and the company is laughable.

Now the honest fact of the matter is the reason you are still on LOA93, is because you are okay with it, and do not care that usapa is stalling the process.

We could have had a new contract years ago, using the Nic, but the east wanted to renege, and you have temporarily done so. All the blame goes east, end of story.

PS. The east even sabotaged Wye River. Coming to find mutual solutions, and basically telling ALPA, "we get what we want or you are gone". Thinking they could get their way, either with ALPA or not, and once again proving they have absolutely zero situational awareness of the predicament they are in.

PSS. The company has been more than tolerant with the situation. Why would they not be when guys like you are okay with working under LOA93 til retirement? The age 65 rule change was a huge widfall for both the 59.5 year olds, and the company.

I don't think the company wanted the age 65 rule changed right up until it happened. Only after it happened did they realize it might benefit them. I was a little closer to 60...more like 59.99 or so. I do appreciate the education on who filed what and when. As for a new contract the company would have moved the target the second they realized that it would have cost them more money. But if what you say is true and you would like a new contract just drop the nic and see if the other lawsuits go away and then we will find out whether or not the company is willing to give a penney without some sort of legal job action after stalling the negotiations for say another 3 to five years.

As for the laughable part I'm always willing to help someone out by helping them laugh.


Regards,


Bob

 

[Metroyet]

The guy is almost 54, so he has potentially 11 years to go.

Given his behavior, that's wildly optimistic.

 

[aquagreen73s]

It is not that Nic4us can't fly with Cleary, it is that Cleary may be too big a coward to fly with Nic4us.

Amen to that.

Four years of nothing but lies, deception and bombast coming from the top of the union leaves no other possibility than when they get up in the morning and look in the mirror, they see a coward staring back.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

AQUA, CLEARD, you guys should call reuters and set them straight, USAPA is to blame "FOR ALL OF THEM!" http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/17/uk-airlines-labor-box-idUSLNE75G04B20110617

 

[prechilill]

There are more Aherns' stories waiting to unfold- give it another few years and the body count will continue to grow. This is what USAPA has done- a pathway of carnage.

 

[Freebird]

Freebird,

I have no idea what a Delduh or Jetblow captain makes. As for why I still am on LOA 93 wages it's because we don't have a new contract and that is due to the company and the pilots from the west holding up the process with lawsuits.

Would I like a new contract?..... it would be nice but I'm not willing to pay a large price again to just to get a contract. If the west wins then we will have a contract if the east wins we will have a contract but these things are in the future because I suspect either side can keep the lawyers busy for many more years,perhaps more years than this company will be around because this place is being run for the short term untill the next deal. The next deal is not going to happen because nobody wants this mess.


Regards,


Bob

Bob,

Look around, you're being lapped by First Officers from other airlines because of your ignorance. You are still on LOA93 because USAPA is incapable of delivering a contract. You can end the "blame the West" b.s., both sides agreed to Binding Arbitration and asked a third party to create a list. He did. What do you not understand about that? I'd think a 767 Captain would be a little smarter than you appear to be. Nevermind you choose to sell your integrity for a one-trick pony "union".

Any future deal/merger is largely based on another airline wanting to deal with the downtrodden east pilots. Nobody trusts your pilots. You've made your bed. I get a kick at your local webboard geniuses who claim that this airline will split. Do you really believe that another airline will accept your DOH B.S.?

In the meantime, thanks for your ignorance Bob, as your low payrate helps this airline survive just a little bit longer...day by day.

USAPA = Hopeless

 

[nycbusdriver]

I believe I have stumbled upon one of BoingBoys home videos!

Retired Captains World

Even resembles the pic he uses a little bit.

 

[nycbusdriver]

There are more Aherns' stories waiting to unfold- give it another few years and the body count will continue to grow. This is what USAPA has done- a pathway of carnage.

I tend to agree with you. After watching the PHX May Crew News, it's obvious that a meltdown out west is imminent. It's a joy to behold, and most entertaining.

 

[Freebird]

I tend to agree with you. After watching the PHX May Crew News, it's obvious that a meltdown out west is imminent. It's a joy to behold, and most entertaining.

You couldnt be more wrong.

I always enjoy your USAPA hotlines. Especially the ones where your President bemoans your bankruptcy-era pay that you choose to remain on.

Enjoy:

USAPA President Mike Cleary said, "Each of us is painfully aware that remaining mired in bankruptcy-era contracts after six years has created a level of hardship for our families that is unsustainable. The honesty, moral character and integrity that we have applied to our obligations during negotiations have been met with exactly the opposite from management. They have used every opportunity to stall, delay and attempt to exhaust the resources of our union and our pilot group. It is time for it to stop. We look to the legal system to provide relief and get our negotiations back on the level playing field that the statute requires.

USAPA = Unsustainable or just a stain?

 

[767one]

Go back to bed Capt. Van Winkle. It's not 1970 anymore. If they don't do their job, confiscate their ID's and escort them off the property.

It's not my job to force other people to do their jobs. If it is important enough the company will deal with it if not it is no big deal to me. I have found that I can fill out reports on my days off and make phone calls but the sure fire way to get a problem fixed is to have a late flight and document why. Then when someone calls me I have their full attention. By the way I think confiscating another employee's ID is their supervisor's job. I don't get paid to get in pissing contests. Any way I better get to work shaving off this 40 yr. beard it might take all weekend. Good thing the company bought my DUB trip....again.


Have a nice weekend,


Rip VW

 

[SparrowHawk]

RE: The US Executive assaults Flight Attendant. Here's what's new.

Got a phone call from someone who attended the session with Mr Parker and the question was raised as to the rumor. Apparently there were separate sessions for Pilots and F/A's, at least that's how I took it. According to my source, the question regarding the rumor was asked in both sessions.

Now then here is where it gets tricky and it depends on how much credibility Doug has with you. Since he has NONE with me, I'm not buying his explanation for a minute.

In all fairness he did acknowledge that a Flight Attendant "Wrote Him Up" and that there is an open investigation into the incident. Doug presented what amounted to the Executives side of the story, which is to be expected. Subsequent to my conversation I've discovered more information that SUGGESTS that what really happened is far less significant than the rumors indicate. This could be just a cyber version of whispering down the lane and something relatively mundane is being blown out of proportion.

Watch the podcast and decide for yourself. Obviously I can't view it.

If you believe Doug. then what you have is the proverbial "Tempest in a Teapot" and a big waste of bandwidth.

If like me you wouldn't believe Doug if he told you the sky is blue, then it looks like the beginnings of a cover up at the top which we know of course would never happen, right? 😛 😛 😀

Good news is he knows now that the rumor in all of its various forms is known by the employees and some non employees as well.

This reason I jumped on this is an incident like this if true or even believed to be true is the type of event that can galvanize the work groups into taking a firm stand. F/A's are in negotiations now and if they rally around this F/A they might have the resolve to either get a deal or close the doors.

The reason I'm visiting this cyber cesspool of responsible adults behaving badly is to somehow raise awareness at least that you are your own worst enemy and that it's long past time for the pissing contest to cease and have the focus of the considerable amount of bile and venom being spewed forth directed at US Airways Sr Management who IMO orchestrated this whole thing with the express purpose of keeping you divided and against each other. It's frankly good business for Parker.

 

[flypg]

Amen to that.

Four years of nothing but lies, deception and bombast coming from the top of the union leaves no other possibility than when they get up in the morning and look in the mirror, they see a coward staring back.

Hey genius, got that depo ready ?

 

[cactusboy53]

Hey genius, got that depo ready ?

USAPA = A law firm's best friend. Don't worry kid, this will be done in a couple of years. You will be looked upon as the stain that AAA was. The level of entitlement and hubris really is astounding.

 

[luvthe9]

It's becoming a lot clearer this airline is rapidly imploding big time, after corporate security asked everyone to leave in the PHL chief pilots office, it was like they lit a fuse, it's being taken up more than a notch. Doug and company have lost complete control of this operation and I'm sure they are not surprised. And it's only getting started, this summer will be a disaster. Great management leadership.