US Pilots Labor Discussion

[mrbreeze]

Looks like I have to bring Hollerbach's email out:

'There was one mention of a snapback in the negotiations surrounding LOA 93 and that was on day 1, the first pass of the pilots' proposal to the Company where we addressed snapback to previous rates. The Company unequivocally rejected the notion as the financial situation was so dire (and it was dire) that to achieve financing, a projected snapback would not be received favorably by lenders or investors."

and

"There is no snapback, no term on rates, except that the contract becomes amendable on December 31st 2009. To tell you that USAPA doesn't have a chance in this grievance is an understatement... The problem at hand is that there is nothing to support the union position from a practical standpoint. Trust me, I would love a snap back to previous rates, but I won't commit perjury to get there when it isn't the truth. This particular arbitration will, in my view, be the shortest in history and it won't be favorable for the pilot group."

Man, for a pilot who would benefit greatly from a positive outcome of LOA 93, you sure have a negative outlook. Why are you fighting this? Most people on here seem to have a handle on the issues, then, suddenly, you step in and stir the pot. Are you a fukin' management dick or what?

You have made many arguementive statements on this board that have all been covered in the past....you should have been here in the last few months. Your arguements have been hashed and rehashed, so I have no inclination to go over the BS you claim to be true once again.

It will all come out in the wash......standby and see the truth.

 

[Pi brat]

By the way TP has stated to others in USAPA that this is a loser.

Are you saying that you now believe TP? I didn't see any of that sentiment in the "Happy Meal in the desert" crew news.

Push those T/Ls on up to TOGA.

 

[nic4us]

WOW...you cite a check pilot........HOLY COW....With an override I bet!!! .Don't count on it scooter......typical SENIOR widebody Capt here ...and there are many

US Salary 160K
PBGC 48K
Military 24K

That's almost a quarter mil pal.......Bet you forgot that little PBGC kicker didn't ya!!
that's why we/they aren't selling out the guys who have been stuck in the right seat for so long.
You will never cash your ticket......and above all else......we don't care if you rot in PHX....YOU GOT NO PLACE TO GO
....EVER. You will languish in airline hell for many years......WELCOME TO YOU NEW CAREER EXPECTATIONS
And NIC 4 just in case you ain't getting it....... we don't care what happenes to you...we will ALL be gone in 5-10 years.
With almost 3 BIL in the bank U will survive.......we can last..... then leave....it's all yours!!!!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

Wow...almost quarfter million huh? You do realize it would have been almost $300k had they not tried to help you steal the West's seniority? I'll bet they are smart enough to know it now.

But nice evasion of the question. Does the 30 year Trans State guy get to go ahead of the majority of American pilots if American bought Trans States? Your DOH arguement is hollow, unrealistic, and in usapa's case, illegal.


PS. The east will lose LOA 93, and the company may very likely retaliate at the negotiating table for the disingenuous arbitration, along with the new lawsuit.

PSS. I will likely be gone in under 10 years also, but not before doing everything I can to see usapa off the property.

 

[luvthe9]

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PS. The east will lose LOA 93, and the company may very likely retaliate at the negotiating table for the disingenuous arbitration, along with the new lawsuit.

PSS. I will likely be gone in under 10 years also, but not before doing everything I can to see usapa off the property.

PSSS. You will NEVER see the NIC on this property!!!

 

[Pi brat]

We were offered equal pay (the West contract) from the beginning and turned it down.

What do you mean "from the beginning"? The date the merger closed, cause if so I missed that one. I believe it was offered with the ratification of a joint contract.

 

[mikey60]

Take away TP's delay in closing the record and Kasher's medical and family diversions and you have a typical timeline. My guess is by end of summer.

I'm thinking USAPA may already have an initial copy of the decision.

Maybe the company knows the outcome and thats why " pain in the a$$ Glass is back"

 

[toganoflex]

Man, for a pilot who would benefit greatly from a positive outcome of LOA 93, you sure have a negative outlook. Why are you fighting this? Most people on here seem to have a handle on the issues, then, suddenly, you step in and stir the pot. Are you a fukin' management dick or what?

You have made many arguementive statements on this board that have all been covered in the past....you should have been here in the last few months. Your arguements have been hashed and rehashed, so I have no inclination to go over the BS you claim to be true once again.

It will all come out in the wash......standby and see the truth.

Benefit greatly?!?! Bullshit. Only ones benefitting would be you guts.

I enjoy watching you idiots wallow in the filth you created. You talk tough but you guys are burning out fast on those bankruptcy wages. You thought you'd show Doug how things were done but he's kept you under his thumb for years. You guys have nothing to show after all these years.

You seem a bit touchy. Sounds like LOA93 is getting to you as well.

If you don't want to rehash this then f off. Blackswan needs the education.

Can't wait to watch reality hit you guys square in the nuts.

 

[Pi brat]

Wow...almost quarfter million huh? You do realize it would have been almost $300k had they not tried to help you steal the West's seniority?

How do you figure that? My Kirby rates show the top offer 48 months after signing at $184. Add in pbgc and mil and it would still be short of $300.

 

[Pi brat]

Benefit greatly?!?! Bullshit. Only ones benefitting would be you guts.

I enjoy watching you idiots wallow in the filth you created. You talk tough but you guys are burning out fast on those bankruptcy wages. You thought you'd show Doug how things were done but he's kept you under his thumb for years. You guys have nothing to show after all these years.

You seem a bit touchy. Sounds like LOA93 is getting to you as well.

If you don't want to rehash this then f off. Blackswan needs the education.

Can't wait to watch reality hit you guys square in the nuts.

Same to you. I don't see swan as too worked up. You on the other hand, pretty much.

 

[mikey60]

P.S. Ames come back ......... we understand and your not alone. A lot of you west buddies are full of stories and yes we do listen to them also.

 

[nic4us]

PSSS. You will NEVER see the NIC on this property!!!

So I get on an elevator with a Delta pilot today. He is in plain clothes, but I notice his bag tags and his Delta hat riding on his rollaboard. His travel companion (guessing his wife) ask me, "Cactus Pilot...is that a new airline"? He turns to her and says.."No that is the USAirways call sign...and that means he is an America West pilot...one of the good guys."

You will never see any respect on this property, or within the industry. I think it is even going to follow you into retirement.

 

[toganoflex]

As do many of your brothers. Can't see the logic in Doug helping them keep it a secret.

He's wants to get through the summer travel season.

Once the decision comes and the east sees that the only way out if LOA 93 s Nic, CIRP is going to get busy.

 

[toganoflex]

Same to you. I don't see swan as too worked up. You on the other hand, pretty much.

Wow! That's a fantastic post.

 

[nic4us]

How do you figure that? My Kirby rates show the top offer 48 months after signing at $184. Add in pbgc and mil and it would still be short of $300.

Swan said..."almost 1/4 mil"...I was not trying to come up with a number, just show it would be more. I said..."almost $300k" just as a higher figure of round numbers.

Is the $183/hr even $30/hr more than the current rate?

 

[Phoenix]

So I get on an elevator with a Delta pilot today. He is in plain clothes, but I notice his bag tags and his Delta hat riding on his rollaboard. His travel companion (guessing his wife) ask me, "Cactus Pilot...is that a new airline"? He turns to her and says.."No that is the USAirways call sign...and that means he is an America West pilot...one of the good guys."

You will never see any respect on this property, or within the industry. I think it is even going to follow you into retirement.

So, one time when we got on the crew bus with a Delta crew, they told us the only reason they let us on was because we are part of the cool guys, identified by the yellow lanyard.

So, one time when I went to Wal-Mart to buy an umbrella the clerk told me about the rude pilots that are buying up all the rain coats.

One time when I was at band camp....