US Pilots Labor Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Actually it sounds like it makes YOU fell better,coffee black please! MM! EWR what a great hub!MM!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Did the B&W blog mention the Transition Agreement or that the Company accepted the binding arbitration award and paid both MECs for consideration upon completing the contractually agreed upon process? I'm sure such unbiased and esteemed labor law experts wouldn't have failed to comment on the most salient issue of this legal matter. How exactly did the B&W blog review handle the thorny matter of a multi-party agreement that transcends the traditional “internal union dispute” definitions?

Actually it does mention they thouroughly reviewed the whole case, even to the point they commented that your judge had a new hobby! MM! Those 11th and 10th circuits must really have close ties! MM!

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

I'll keep telling myself that because it is correct, no other reason. Read the Ninth Circuit opinion, as well as the RLA Blog, Mr. apparently underemployed labor attorney.

You're entitled to YOUR opinion on anything. In this case, it just happens to be wrong.

 

[Bear96]

I'll keep telling myself that because it is correct, no other reason. Read the Ninth Circuit opinion[.]

You have a grave misunderstanding of the Ninth Circuit's opinion if you are under the impression that it addressed the substantive merits of the Nic list - or of the DFR claim - in any way, shape or form.

 

[cleardirect]

Sure didn't take long for you to come back from your self-imposed exile. What happened? Did the UAL guys run you off their board?

Any merger policy relying arbitration as the main method of integration is NOT a merger policy. It's a cop-out.

ALPA SUX!

USAPA- the best money EVER spent!

SSM&P- the BEST lawyers we could have chosen!

Go Mike Cleary! You're a hero!

Then I guess A/M merger policy is not a merger policy according to you. Yeah, yeah we know about ALPA. It has been almost 3 years are you ever going to get over it? How long were you ALPA before you figured it out? How long before you figure that usapa suxs?

SSM&P. Says a lot about the people choosing.

Mike Cleary!! More kool aid oldie?

 

[cleardirect]

You have a grave misunderstanding of the Ninth Circuit's opinion if you are under the impression that it addressed the substantive merits of the Nic list - or of the DFR claim - in any way, shape or form.

The east has a grave misunderstanding of a lot of things.

 

[prechilill]

If you had kept track you would know how stupid you sound. Better stay out of the pulpit.

You go it wrong. The majority of the east thinks that the process failed and produced a morally flawed list that improperly takes form one group and gives to another. That's what it boils down to. Believe it or not there has been quite a bit of discussion over here about what is the right thing to do about it, if anything.

If you had paid attention, most of what I post is to answer what I see as absurd assumptions from west pilots.

Oh I see, so you guys were nice enough to take it upon yourselves to "fix it" all by yourselves. It must be a coincidence then that your "fix" looks exactly like what you wanted but didn't get from the arbitration. Hmmm... coincidence? Must be. Thanks for your candor.

You are entertaining Mr. Piedmont, seriously.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

You have a grave misunderstanding of the Ninth Circuit's opinion if you are under the impression that it addressed the substantive merits of the Nic list - or of the DFR claim - in any way, shape or form.

BEAR, you should call ALPA and tell them that too, because if you look at ALPA's filing in the NAUGLER v ALPA then all those boys made the same mistake! MM!

 

[AWA320]

THE AGENDA OF THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION MEETING. THIS IS GOING TO BE REAL GOOD AS I BET THE MERITS OF ARBITRATIONS GET CALLED INTO QUESTION AND HOW UPSETTING THE APPLE CART COULD PROVE TO BE DAMAGING TO THE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE. I ALWAYS KNEW THE EAST WAS GOING TO START SOMETHING THAT COULD BRING EXTREME HARM TO ALL AIRLINE EMPLOYEES IN THIS COUNTRY.

http://www.abanet.org/labor/mw/2011/rw/pdf/agenda.pdf

AWA320

 

[sumadarson]

You have a grave misunderstanding of the Ninth Circuit's opinion if you are under the impression that it addressed the substantive merits of the Nic list - or of the DFR claim - in any way, shape or form.

Correct this ABC news article then.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=10829399

 

[AWA320]

Correct this ABC news article then.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=10829399

Here you go kid get the clue will you.

While Friday's decision said the America West pilot claim wasn't yet "ripe" to be decided, it also said their claim would be "unquestionably ripe ... once a contract is ratified." The threat of that should force the union "to bargain in good faith pursuant to its (duty for fair representation), with the interest of all members" in mind, the judges wrote.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

THE AGENDA OF THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION MEETING. THIS IS GOING TO BE REAL GOOD AS I BET THE MERITS OF ARBITRATIONS GET CALLED INTO QUESTION AND HOW UPSETTING THE APPLE CART COULD PROVE TO BE DAMAGING TO THE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE. I ALWAYS KNEW THE EAST WAS GONING TO START SOMETHING THAT COULD BRING EXTREME HARM TO ALL AIRLINE EMPLOYEES IN THIS COUNTRY.

http://www.abanet.org/labor/mw/2011/rw/pdf/agenda.pdf

AWA320

Arbitrations are losing favor in many areas, including the Banking industry. Here is a really good article explaining why they are losing favor. I hardly think that one poorly executed arbitration had much to do with it, but if it did, it's a good thing.

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202471400934

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Here you go kid get the clue will you....

Why can't you folks grasp the difference betwwen a "ripe" case and a "winning" case? Just because an issue becomes "ripe' does not mean that you will prevail on the issue.

BY the way, the large font just makes your response harder to read. It doesn't help you make your tired, nonsensical point.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Here you go kid get the clue will you.

While Friday's decision said the America West pilot claim wasn't yet "ripe" to be decided, it also said their claim would be "unquestionably ripe ... once a contract is ratified." The threat of that should force the union "to bargain in good faith pursuant to its (duty for fair representation), with the interest of all members" in mind, the judges wrote.

A couple of quotes from ALPA v Naugler would be nice BTW , I believe Wilder, Baptiste and Seham are speaking, you are correct Scope is a grave issue ask any CAL pilot, MM!

 

[cleardirect]

BEAR, you should call ALPA and tell them that too, because if you look at ALPA's filing in the NAUGLER v ALPA then all those boys made the same mistake! MM!

BTW. Where is that case? The last filing for summary judgement was in July. 5 months to make a decision. Something is not right there. Could this case be DOA? Perhaps determined that it is not yet ripe?