US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

I have long pondered and occasionally posted that I never felt Lee Seham was the best choice of counsel. I did some research and I've yet to find a case that Seeham has won that is even a remotely similar situation. In fact there is a glaring absence of even a mention of significant RLA experience on their web page.



Conversely, it took less than 30 seconds to find a firm via Google that does have significant experience with the RLA, NMB, Arbitration and such. Now they might be company oriented I can't say for certain although it appear that is not the case.



I keep asking, "What case has Lee Seham actually won" and the sound of the crickets is deafening. I won't comment as to whether Seeham is fee grubbing con man. I'll leave that to others. But on the surface he's doesn't impress.

Seham wasn't the best choice, he was the only choice. He's the only attorney that told USAPA what they wanted to hear: that they could get out from under the Nic.

 

[Move2CLT]

Oh please, do tell how you would have done so much better, your the second lowest paid in the industry. I guess you guys are OK with that, enjoy all that stagnation. 😛

We're not second lowest but you are THE lowest.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

It wouldn't have worked. Read this:

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2010/AAR1003.pdf

You may not like Sully or Jeff because of their testimony in the Addington case. I don't think they should have been their either.

Having said that, they are still two fine fellows and aviators. You couldn't have hand picked two pilots to represent our profession as they did, given their Lindbergh like notoriety.

For you youngsters, that's Charles A. Lindbergh. Flew the Atlantic solo in the Ryan NYP (New York-Paris) in 1927. No GPS or autopilot, just an Earth Inductor compass, sitting on a wicker seat for 33 or so hours. Just about as amazing as ditching a wounded Airbus 320 in the Hudson River with no loss of life. And he planned his trip, a luxury Sully and Jeff did not enjoy.

NO one forced him to testify, maybe he sought something outside his own personal gain! MM!

 

[mikey60]

The AWA MEC would have had a lot more than 144 right now but you stole my union from me you scab.

STOLE.....STOLE, I thought we voted on this. Did you forget to vote or were you in bed eating Bon-Bon's and forgot to vote.....

 

[SparrowHawk]

Seham wasn't the best choice, he was the only choice. He's the only attorney that told USAPA what they wanted to hear: that they could get out from under the Nic.

OK, then how many firms did they interview?
Was the alleged "Boinking" going on during the firm selection process?

 

[BoeingBoy]

The first thing to consider is that unless Al Legheny has info that hasn't been posted here or I missed a post (either/both possible) we don't know that the relationship was with a lawyer, much less a lawyer on the team representing USAPA. All we know is that the relationship was/is "with a former Seham employee." Heck, it might be the receptionist...

Jim

 

[Move2CLT]

OK, then how many firms did they interview?
Was the alleged "Boinking" going on during the firm selection process?

Three or four.

 

[SparrowHawk]

The first thing to consider is that unless Al Legheny has info that hasn't been posted here or I missed a post (either/both possible) we don't know that the relationship was with a lawyer, much less a lawyer on the team representing USAPA. All we know is that the relationship was/is "with a former Seham employee." Heck, it might be the receptionist...

Jim

The funny thing though is that EVERY time I call into question the selection of Lee Seeham all of the more bombastic posters from the east are in the weeds.

 

[traderjake]

You couldn't have hand picked two better pilots to represent our profession as they did, given their Lindbergh like notoriety.

Absolutely, the passengers and the company were extremely lucky those two were flying the airplane that day.

 

[Phoenix]

You are right.

In all the hero worship, though, there has been far too little analysis of what they did wrong as well as what they did right, so we can learn little more than what supermen these two were.

But that doesn't excuse me from feeding into the vitriol (like the stuff above) that fuels this board.

Sure, you are right. There are some very important questions that need to be asked about what they did or failed to do. For instance, did the crew rescue the little liquor bottles or did the spirits go down with the ship?

Seriously, an analysis would be good, but a forum is hardly the place to get any reliable facts or legitimate analysis... witness the recent Captain Wells event.

 

[Move2CLT]

Why? You don't think you could have pulled it off?

 

[traderjake]

I could not pull it off as well as they did.

Having flown with Sully I can't think of anyone better prepared to handle what happened.

I could not have pulled off going on 60 Minutes, Charley Rose, and Letterman.

Jeff did a solo interview with Rose and did a great job.

I'm glad it was them and not me.

 

[Reed Richards]

The first thing to consider is that unless Al Legheny has info that hasn't been posted here or I missed a post (either/both possible) we don't know that the relationship was with a lawyer, much less a lawyer on the team representing USAPA. All we know is that the relationship was/is "with a former Seham employee." Heck, it might be the receptionist...

Jim

With a lawyer. With a lawyer under hire by USAPA. In the library. With a candlestick.

We know. Now you know.

"Former employee of Seham" is a red herring. It has no relevance to the ethical breach. But it does make it a bit more juicy.

RR

 

[Reed Richards]

Seham wasn't the best choice, he was the only choice. He's the only attorney that told USAPA what they wanted to hear: that they could get out from under the Nic.

Someday when the book comes out the truth will also. But for now you can know Seham was not the first choice.

I have only second hand knowledge, but it was second hand knowledge early on. The chorus was overwhelming in support of USAPA's current position.

Like I remind folks here about 3 times a year, Seham was actually under hire by Johnny Mac when the West tried to get out of ALPA. Maybe had they been successful the two of us would have never met, thus never the ugly situation at hand. Ask the little Napoleon some time why he thought it ok to stiff Seham on his bills. What goes around comes around, karma, whatever.

Folks are quick to incorrectly say Seham has never won a case here. I no longer am represented by ALPA, nor is my new union (at least tonight) under any mandate from any court as to anything. As Charlie would say..."winning."

RR

 

[BoeingBoy]

With a lawyer. With a lawyer under hire by USAPA. In the library. With a candlestick.

I thought we were talking about Mowrey, not Bill C.....oh, right, that was a cigar....

Jim