US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

ATTENTION ALL WEST PILOTS

Jim says you are trained monkeys and he was a pilot.

Jim I thought I asked you to leave.

Why don't you focus on paying your bills with what little money you make. You actually make less than VA and Republic pilots do. How's that sunrise service work for you?

 

[mrbreeze]

Hey, I was wondering if anyone else felt it. About 15 seconds of feeling like someone was shaking the house here in the GSO area. Last I checked magnitude 5.9 centered between Richmond and Charlottesville VA.

Jim

Jim,
I talked to a flt attendant friend in Cleveland, who said she felt it there too, whild sitting at her computer. Big area, eh?

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

ATTENTION ALL WEST PILOTS

Jim says you are trained monkeys and he was a pilot.

Jim I thought I asked you to leave.

I like reading his stuff and breeze seems to enjoy talking to him. Maybe you should leave.

 

[Move2CLT]

bump

Don't bother. They're afraid to touch that post.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Jim I thought I asked you to leave.

Ya know, there a lesson in life for you in that statement. See if you can figure out what it is while dancing on the sidewalk in that cute little suit...

Jim

 

[biggie smalls]

ATTENTION ALL WEST PILOTS

Jim says you are trained monkeys and he was a pilot.

Jim I thought I asked you to leave.

Think of this boys

DCA, PHX and Seham Ally To Topple USAPA Leadership


Fellow Pilots,


The above headline may appear too fantastic to believe but it is in fact what is happening as you read this. It is very easy to understand why PHX, and the Company too for that matter, would like to see Cleary and Mowery unseated but because of this very fact it is beyond reason how any east representative can fail to recognize how such an act would play to our opponents’ greatest wishes. Seham’s motivation is age old and quite simple - money.


To understand how this came together some history is in order. Seham, from the onset, has been USAPA’s go-to legal counsel. For a variety of reasons USAPA, under the guidance of President Cleary and Vice President Mowery, has enlisted the help of {Firm} Odwyre. This firm has taken center stage in the status quo litigation that has just concluded. Seeing this has caused Seham to undoubtedly question his shelf life here and whether his firm’s coffers are going to suffer as a result.


That’s where the high drama enters the picture. USAPA Vice President Randy Mowery has been involved in a long term committed relationship with a former Seham employee. When this relationship began taking root, some eighteen months ago, Mowery, Cleary and this former employee took the matter to Seham and Scott Petersen (Seham partner) for their consideration, in the interest of transparency and due diligence to the union. Both Seham and Petersen unequivocally stated that there was no conflict of interest where this relationship was concerned and no issue on the matter was raised until recently - coincident with Odwyer’s rise to increasing influence.


Suddenly, Seham has changed his answer and now claims that a great impropriety has taken place which can not go unaddressed. First it is important to understand that this is the exact opposite of what he and Petersen told the parties and what they have endorsed for the last eighteen months. Second, it should be recognized that Seham’s claims are completely baseless, both under the law and as a matter of simple common sense. Finally, it is vital to understand that if Seham’s stated concerns were legitimate then he never would have expressly condoned the matter when it was initially brought to his attention let alone for the last eighteen months.


The math here is simple. Seham sees his business slipping away and has aligned himself with Cleary’s and Mowery’s political opposition in the slimiest form of “you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours” politics. All of this is going to be revealed at the August 25 BPR meeting at USAPA headquarters in CLT. DCA and PHX are going to give Seham the venue he seeks to assure that his cash flow is not eroded by Odwyre and they in return will have the opportunity to aid the advancement of their chosen candidates into USAPA’s leadership - both efforts facilitated by trying to cripple Cleary and Mowrey.


All you have to know if you are trying to get to the bottom of which side to be on is that the Company and AOL are foaming at the mouth at the prospect of seeing the unseating of the leadership that is responsible for the unrelenting effort that is frustrating their attempts to profit at your expense.


Pick up your phones and call your reps. Get to CLT tomorrow August 25 and catch the Best Western Sterling van to USAPA HQ for the meeting. These malcontents need to hear loud and clear from you to knock it the hell off NOW! It may be the most important thing you ever do for your career.

 

[Reed Richards]

Think of this boys

DCA, PHX and Seham Ally To Topple USAPA Leadership


Fellow Pilots,


The above headline may appear too fantastic to believe but it is in fact what is happening as you read this. It is very easy to understand why PHX, and the Company too for that matter, would like to see Cleary and Mowery unseated but because of this very fact it is beyond reason how any east representative can fail to recognize how such an act would play to our opponents’ greatest wishes. Seham’s motivation is age old and quite simple - money.


To understand how this came together some history is in order. Seham, from the onset, has been USAPA’s go-to legal counsel. For a variety of reasons USAPA, under the guidance of President Cleary and Vice President Mowery, has enlisted the help of {Firm} Odwyre. This firm has taken center stage in the status quo litigation that has just concluded. Seeing this has caused Seham to undoubtedly question his shelf life here and whether his firm’s coffers are going to suffer as a result.


That’s where the high drama enters the picture. USAPA Vice President Randy Mowery has been involved in a long term committed relationship with a former Seham employee. When this relationship began taking root, some eighteen months ago, Mowery, Cleary and this former employee took the matter to Seham and Scott Petersen (Seham partner) for their consideration, in the interest of transparency and due diligence to the union. Both Seham and Petersen unequivocally stated that there was no conflict of interest where this relationship was concerned and no issue on the matter was raised until recently - coincident with Odwyer’s rise to increasing influence.


Suddenly, Seham has changed his answer and now claims that a great impropriety has taken place which can not go unaddressed. First it is important to understand that this is the exact opposite of what he and Petersen told the parties and what they have endorsed for the last eighteen months. Second, it should be recognized that Seham’s claims are completely baseless, both under the law and as a matter of simple common sense. Finally, it is vital to understand that if Seham’s stated concerns were legitimate then he never would have expressly condoned the matter when it was initially brought to his attention let alone for the last eighteen months.


The math here is simple. Seham sees his business slipping away and has aligned himself with Cleary’s and Mowery’s political opposition in the slimiest form of “you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours” politics. All of this is going to be revealed at the August 25 BPR meeting at USAPA headquarters in CLT. DCA and PHX are going to give Seham the venue he seeks to assure that his cash flow is not eroded by Odwyre and they in return will have the opportunity to aid the advancement of their chosen candidates into USAPA’s leadership - both efforts facilitated by trying to cripple Cleary and Mowrey.


All you have to know if you are trying to get to the bottom of which side to be on is that the Company and AOL are foaming at the mouth at the prospect of seeing the unseating of the leadership that is responsible for the unrelenting effort that is frustrating their attempts to profit at your expense.


Pick up your phones and call your reps. Get to CLT tomorrow August 25 and catch the Best Western Sterling van to USAPA HQ for the meeting. These malcontents need to hear loud and clear from you to knock it the hell off NOW! It may be the most important thing you ever do for your career.

"These malcontents need to hear loud and clear from you to knock it the hell off NOW!"

Or what, an Officer slams them into a door jamb? Does the "question" need to even be asked about canoodling with the hired help? I thought that was always a no brainer no no. There is no permission slip for such behavior.

I too encourage every member in good standing to attend the meeting tomorrow. Some events transcend East/West politics (what? say it ain't so!)

Rockem' Sockem' has struck again, or so I hear!

Don't let your Reps close the meeting. Hear it all for yourself!

RR

 

[Move2CLT]

Think of this boys

DCA, PHX and Seham Ally To Topple USAPA Leadership


Fellow Pilots,


The above headline may appear too fantastic to believe but it is in fact what is happening as you read this. It is very easy to understand why PHX, and the Company too for that matter, would like to see Cleary and Mowery unseated but because of this very fact it is beyond reason how any east representative can fail to recognize how such an act would play to our opponents’ greatest wishes. Seham’s motivation is age old and quite simple - money.


To understand how this came together some history is in order. Seham, from the onset, has been USAPA’s go-to legal counsel. For a variety of reasons USAPA, under the guidance of President Cleary and Vice President Mowery, has enlisted the help of {Firm} Odwyre. This firm has taken center stage in the status quo litigation that has just concluded. Seeing this has caused Seham to undoubtedly question his shelf life here and whether his firm’s coffers are going to suffer as a result.


That’s where the high drama enters the picture. USAPA Vice President Randy Mowery has been involved in a long term committed relationship with a former Seham employee. When this relationship began taking root, some eighteen months ago, Mowery, Cleary and this former employee took the matter to Seham and Scott Petersen (Seham partner) for their consideration, in the interest of transparency and due diligence to the union. Both Seham and Petersen unequivocally stated that there was no conflict of interest where this relationship was concerned and no issue on the matter was raised until recently - coincident with Odwyer’s rise to increasing influence.


Suddenly, Seham has changed his answer and now claims that a great impropriety has taken place which can not go unaddressed. First it is important to understand that this is the exact opposite of what he and Petersen told the parties and what they have endorsed for the last eighteen months. Second, it should be recognized that Seham’s claims are completely baseless, both under the law and as a matter of simple common sense. Finally, it is vital to understand that if Seham’s stated concerns were legitimate then he never would have expressly condoned the matter when it was initially brought to his attention let alone for the last eighteen months.


The math here is simple. Seham sees his business slipping away and has aligned himself with Cleary’s and Mowery’s political opposition in the slimiest form of “you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours” politics. All of this is going to be revealed at the August 25 BPR meeting at USAPA headquarters in CLT. DCA and PHX are going to give Seham the venue he seeks to assure that his cash flow is not eroded by Odwyre and they in return will have the opportunity to aid the advancement of their chosen candidates into USAPA’s leadership - both efforts facilitated by trying to cripple Cleary and Mowrey.


All you have to know if you are trying to get to the bottom of which side to be on is that the Company and AOL are foaming at the mouth at the prospect of seeing the unseating of the leadership that is responsible for the unrelenting effort that is frustrating their attempts to profit at your expense.


Pick up your phones and call your reps. Get to CLT tomorrow August 25 and catch the Best Western Sterling van to USAPA HQ for the meeting. These malcontents need to hear loud and clear from you to knock it the hell off NOW! It may be the most important thing you ever do for your career.

Uh oh, trouble in USAPA paradise. Looks like the VP can't keep it in his pants. Can't wait to hear the excuses and conspiracy theories.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Seham’s motivation is age old and quite simple - money.



Suddenly, Seham has changed his answer

Seham’s claims are completely baseless, both under the law and as a matter of simple common sense.

The math here is simple. Seham sees his business slipping away and has aligned himself with Cleary’s and Mowery’s political opposition in the slimiest form of “you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours” politics.

So I wonder if these were Seham's motivations all along in telling Bradford and then Cleary that binding arbitration could be avoided, or that the 9th's ruling on lack of ripeness means that USAPA can advance a non-NIC DOH seniority scheme in violation of the TA. I wonder also if this kind of money first, law and pilot career consideration second had any influence on the LOA93 grievance arbitration. Did Seham suddenly change his spots or has he always been about what helps old Lee out first and USAPA's interests second. A sucker is born every minute is probably one of Lee's favorite quotes.

 

[Res Judicata]

So I wonder if these were Seham's motivations all along in telling Bradford and then Cleary that binding arbitration could be avoided, or that the 9th's ruling on lack of ripeness means that USAPA can advance a non-NIC DOH seniority scheme in violation of the TA. I wonder also if this kind of money first, law and pilot career consideration second had any influence on the LOA93 grievance arbitration. Did Seham suddenly change his spots or has he always been about what helps old Lee out first and USAPA's interests second. A sucker is born every minute is probably one of Lee's favorite quotes.

Mowery can't help it. He's been effing his colleagues for so long he doesn't know better.

 

[prechilill]

The wheels are coming off the USAPA van, this is really fun to watch! Enjoy your contract boys... it is going to be with you for a couple more years!!!

Oh, btw, that darn ALPA negotiated 737 captain rates of $186/hr at AirTran. Hmmmm. 124 vs 186 - and the best part... AirTran fo rates at 117/hr! WOW! There's gonna be a whole lot of belly aching out east in two and half years (2014)! I really have to hand it to you bEASTies, you guys really showed us rookies how it's done

 

[luvn737s]

ATTENTION ALL WEST PILOTS

Jim says you are trained monkeys and he was a pilot.

I thought he was talking about Skiles.

 

[SparrowHawk]

So I wonder if these were Seham's motivations all along in telling Bradford and then Cleary that binding arbitration could be avoided, or that the 9th's ruling on lack of ripeness means that USAPA can advance a non-NIC DOH seniority scheme in violation of the TA. I wonder also if this kind of money first, law and pilot career consideration second had any influence on the LOA93 grievance arbitration. Did Seham suddenly change his spots or has he always been about what helps old Lee out first and USAPA's interests second. A sucker is born every minute is probably one of Lee's favorite quotes.

I have long pondered and occasionally posted that I never felt Lee Seham was the best choice of counsel. I did some research and I've yet to find a case that Seeham has won that is even a remotely similar situation. In fact there is a glaring absence of even a mention of significant RLA experience on their web page.

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Developing personnel policies and procedures – developing and implementing employment manuals and policies.
Developing & implementing anti-discrimination and drug & alcohol training programs for supervisors and employees.
Negotiating maritime and airline labor and employment agreements.
EEOC investigations – developing and implementing anti-discrimination policies; representing entities in administrative proceedings.
OSHA representation – advise on compliance and handling investigations.
Wrongful termination actions.
Interpretation of employment contracts – including participation in grievance settlement proceedings and contract arbitration matters.
Negotiating separation agreements.
Wage & hour disputes.
Negotiating labor and employment agreements.
Grievances, mediation and arbitration.
Representation disputes before the National Mediation Board.
Drug & Alcohol Testing – developing and implementing drug and alcohol testing policies and procedures.
Unfair labor practices – including representation before the National Labor Relations Board and in US District Courts.
Seeham, Seeham, Meltz & Peterson

Conversely, it took less than 30 seconds to find a firm via Google that does have significant experience with the RLA, NMB, Arbitration and such. Now they might be company oriented I can't say for certain although it appear that is not the case.

The Law Firm of Guerrieri, Clayman, Bartos & Parcelli, P.C.

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Negotiations

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National Mediation Board Practice

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I keep asking, "What case has Lee Seham actually won" and the sound of the crickets is deafening. I won't comment as to whether Seeham is fee grubbing con man. I'll leave that to others. But on the surface he's doesn't impress.

 

[N924PS]

I thought he was talking about Skiles.

I had the privilege of flying with Jeff shortly before he took advantage of a three year leave.

He is in fact a great guy and a great pilot.

So while you smugly take pot shots at this fine gentleman, just put yourself in his place that January day. First trip out of OE, never flew the Airbus previously, three minutes from bird ingestion til splashdown.

I wonder if you, or any of us, could have done as well under those circumstances.

You used to be one of the more credible West posters on here, and have always made a good case for the West position since the Nic was rendered.

Don't let posts like the one above ruin your reputation. And bring back the Chevy!

 

[BoeingBoy]

I never met Jeff, but I agree with you about his few minutes that fateful day. It must have been a nightmare come true for those 3 minutes.

Jim