US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

It amazes me that the uneducated comments about the MDA lawsuit. So here is the short version.

1. It has nothing to do with USAPA. MDA pilots take care of ourselves thank you.
2. We, the MDA pilots having been paying for the lawsuit out of our pockets to prove the injustice by ALPA. And don't need a color sticker hanging from our ID to show it.
3. Nobody cared about us until we filed the lawsuit against ALPA. So folks if we win, we get money in our MDA pockets. And that is to make up for ALPA screwing us the rest of our careers.


The only thing involving USAPA is a grievance not lawsuit. I might add has been delayed by the company for a second time regarding longevity. They gave it to us when we returned and then took it away. So you tell me why are they delaying the grievance? So if we win the grievance and regain our longevity how could we not have been mainline pilots?


So unless you can talk educated about MDA....don't comment.

Thanks for the quick summary. ALPA really threw a lot of pilots overboard with the whole jets4jobs and MDA scheme.

I may have dreamt it but I distinctly remember the ALPA MEC crowing (ie. sent out a letter congratulating themselves) about the success of getting pilots returning from furlough when they came back to fly.... at MDA.

 

[Phoenix]

Are you guys needing/ taking donations?
Your posts are very enlightening and I appreciate your candor, it really helps some of us out west understand what happened and who sold you down the river. I don't think it was ALPA national but your own pilots who are now whoring out your tragedy to advance their own cause- totally sickening.

What would you call feigned sympathy to ingratiate oneself with a segment of the enemy in order to egg them on to being divided... for one's own benefit?

 

[BoeingBoy]

I hate this "ALPA" no matter whether you're talking about National or the MEC thing. The 2nd list showing the MDA pilots as recalled and giving the CEL pilots a mainline seniority number was produced by the company for the MEC only. As some of the East pilots undoubtedly know, they had 2 seniority numbers - 1 on the "official" seniority list that was updated annually and one in Catcrew that was updated continuously. Plus there was a seniority list for each permanent bid, using the annual seniority numbers but giving updated status of every pilot. The East NC got their list from the company permanent bid list since that was the only list that was up to date on the PID that showed both seniority and status, and I can show you the permanent bid lists for the whole existence of MDA and afterward showing the MDA pilots as furloughed. As examples, Colello was the senior furloughed pilot on the June 2005 permanent bid seniority list, the September 2005 permanent bid seniority list,and the June 2006 permanent bid seniority list. It was the next permanent bid seniority list - September 2006 - that Colello showed holding a mainline job.

Note: I'm not saying that this makes what happened right, but is merely an explanation of why the NC got a list showing the MDA pilots as furloughed.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

I distinctly remember the ALPA MEC crowing (ie. sent out a letter congratulating themselves) about the success of getting pilots returning from furlough when they came back to fly.... at MDA.

You're correct and as I explained above a seniority list showing the MDA pilots as recalled was produced for the MEC after the MDA change of control grievance was lost. The whole change of control grievance was based on MDA being a separate carrier, otherwise it may have fallen under the fragmentation language if the E170's represented a big enough chunk of US. That grievance wasn't lost till late 2005 and as I said below the company had the MDA pilots as furloughed through mid-2006 except for that one-off list for the MEC.

Jim

 

[prechilill]

What would you call feigned sympathy to ingratiate oneself with a segment of the enemy in order to egg them on to being divided... for one's own benefit?

Why do you consider me an enemy? What did I ever do to you?

 

[Phoenix]

Why do you consider me an enemy? What did I ever do to you?

Perhaps you misread my post. I have never considered you an enemy.

 

[mikey60]

As we enter the final month of 2010 we are looking forward to the beginning of a new year 2011.

Jan. 2, 2011 Lump sum payout $ $10,200 per east pilot.

Profit Sharing Check in March 2011.

LOA 93 pay restoration.

MDA law suit.

PBGC Law suit.

East Attrition

Hate

I like it when you talk like that....thanks USAPA

 

[mikey60]

That's what's puzzled me about the suit. The Company, the East MEC, and the East "real" mainline pilots considered the MDA folks furloughed mainline until the MEC lost the change of control grievance over selling the E170's. The company and MEC seniority list showed the MDA folks as furloughed until the suit was filed (in other words the MDA pilots were shown as furloughed on the PID). Yet the company was dropped as a defendant in the suit. And the "real" mainline not only cared nothing about the MDA folks but complained about them "suing us" until the Nic came out, then were cheering you on since they thought a victory would help get rid of the Nic.

Jim

WRONG AGAIN!!!! you mean the scum at alpa

 

[N924PS]

I like it when you talk like that....thanks USAPA

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Hmm.

The first 2 items on that list were delivered as a result of ALPA agreements. USAPA had nothing to do with it.

Herr Goebels continues his repetitive propaganda message ad infinitum. Let's see, how many times does this make?

USAPA has delivered.......NOTHING!

Still waiting for an "Industry Standard" CBA. Is it near yet?

 

[RSVP767]

Not that it is relevant here, but the plan never was to get it confirmed by a court. Since you seem fixated on it, check Section 9 of the FAA (especially the very beginning: "If the parties in their agreement have agreed that a judgment of the court shall be entered upon the award made . . . [then any party may apply to the court for an order confirming the award]."). Who was ALPA planning to file suit against to confirm the award when the process first started - itself?

Thank you!........INTERNAL UNION PROCESS!!!

 

[mikey60]

This was done to buy off the super junior East pilots to assist in the USAPA scam. This is going to be attempted again on the 7th when the "ad hoc" profit sharing committee has discovered that it's really in everybodies best interest to STEAL the profit sharing of the West to be redistributed to junior East pilots. This is an attempt to keep power consolidated. It sends the message: "see, we're all buddies now. Just keep pulling the USAPA line and we'll use our majority to all make up for our horrible career choices upon the backs of the West Pilots".

Personally I can't wait to watch the profit sharing debocle. Of course, none of my money is going to be stolen so I look on this with more amusement and wonder at the sheer, abject stupidity that is running this Fake Narrcasistic union.

Since it doesn't concern you or your money why don't you go and start picking up all of those discarded badges that

are all over phx.

 

[cactusboy53]

Since it doesn't concern you or your money why don't you go and start picking up all of those discarded badges that are all over phx.

Are you referring to all of the PLATINUM & GOLD badge backers? Those, my friend, are firmly attached to the ID's of many, many pilots. They are not discarded, but worn with pride right along with shields. We stand together & undivided (contrary to rumors stirred up while luvthe9 peddles through ORD).

The USAPA spin machine is on the high setting. Hang on, 2011 is going to be an interesting ride!!

 

[nycbusdriver]

Apparently the ALPA guys knew all about the certificate. The line guys were not told. That is how it happened. Nothing to do with the Nic.

Of course ALPA knew about it.

Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm certain KOAT doesn't need that prompt,) but doesn't ALPA rules prohibit furloughed pilots from holding elective office? If so, then how was an active MDA pilot (supposedly on furlough) permitted to serve as the PHL LEC Secretary/Treasurer?

 

[BoeingBoy]

but doesn't ALPA rules prohibit furloughed pilots from holding elective office? If so, then how was an active MDA pilot (supposedly on furlough) permitted to serve as the PHL LEC Secretary/Treasurer?

Absolutely, but as I've said several times (too much skull bone and not enough brain to sink in?) National considered the MDA pilots recalled to mainline (except the CEL MDA pilots who hadn't been mainline). It was East pilots - the MEC - that treated them as still furloughed. So ALPA National did right while MEC East pilots did them wrong.

Write 100 times and maybe you'll grasp the concept:

ALPA National = MDA is mainline, East MEC= MDA is furloughed

Jim

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

Absolutely, but as I've said several times (too much skull bone and not enough brain to sink in?) National considered the MDA pilots recalled to mainline (except the CEL MDA pilots who hadn't been mainline). It was East pilots - the MEC - that treated them as still furloughed. So ALPA National did right while MEC East pilots did them wrong.

Write 100 times and maybe you'll grasp the concept:

ALPA National = MDA is mainline, East MEC= MDA is furloughed

Jim

Why did they certify this list if they knew the East MEC acted improperly? One of two possibilities. They did know beforehand but didn't want the correct list used because it would prejudice the MDA pilots DFR lawsuit which was already ongoing, or they found out after the arbitrator published his findings but intentionally ignored it as they still feared admission of that would prejudice their legal standing in the DFR suit with the MDA pilots.