US Pilots Labor Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

After review of many of your posts it has become obvious that you really like to argue. Sorry man I'm not taking the bait try someone else.

AWA320

Nice Cop out! Guess the statement was correct, nice GANDER though!MM Code for MM you are correct!

 

[AWA320]

Good grief! 326 pages of pilot labor talk? 98% of it useless, repetitive East vs West drivel.

I feel truly, truly, sorry for the poor mods!

HAhahahahhaha Frankly, I dont think they pay any attention to it.

AWA320

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

We both know thats not going to happen. This thing needs to come to a close for the greater good of the company and they have plans. The DJ was done for a real reason and stalling was not it. I would expect the court to tell LCC that they have a contract (the TA) and that breach of that contract could result in litigation. I would then expect some west pilot(s) to file a motion to enforce the arbitrated award.

Again no matter how we look at this we both are going to be pissed at one time or another in this thing.

AWA320

Actually "the greater good of the company" is of LITTLE IMPORTANCE to most of the EAST, I would expect since now USAPA represents ALL parties the T/A is negotiable to USAPA and USAIRWAYS, in which a fraction of WEST disenfranchised will sue but not before the company is fragmented, and will have no claim under seperate ops, since no joint CBA exists and no injunction exists hence a great risk! MM! BTW Silver will dismiss for lack of jurisdiction!

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

The 'legends" of the famous west pilots

What happened to titanium?

You contributed, I know you did.

 

[AWA320]

You guys have already lost the DFR thing twice. When are you gonna get it?

There are NO DAMAGES! Oh, except that 2 million you guys have to pay your lawyers.

So says the cluless stick of butter. I am unaware of 2 DFR cases maybe you could provide the court docket number Oldie??? Didnt think so. I'm here for you lets fast forward to RIPENESS shall we???

AWA320

 

[nic4us]

You guys have already lost the DFR thing twice. When are you gonna get it?

There are NO DAMAGES! Oh, except that 2 million you guys have to pay your lawyers.

Lost twice? You lost me there Oldie.

I am not asking you to believe me, I am asking you to ask Seham.

PS. Your final statement should be in the past tense.

 

[AWA320]

Actually "the greater good of the company" is of LITTLE IMPORTANCE to most of the EAST, I would expect since now USAPA represents ALL parties the T/A is negotiable to USAPA and USAIRWAYS, in which a fraction of WEST disenfranchised will sue but not before the company is fragmented, and will have no claim under seperate ops, since no joint CBA exists and no injunction exists hence a great risk! MM!

Life is just too short for that type of heart ache. You should consider your ageing health and just QUIT now.

AWA320

 

[LSS]

So if usapa can not get you DOH with a new contract or any improvement what is the point of usapa? 400 grievances.

Yes... 400 grievances (or whatever the current outrageous number is)... all thanks to ALPA's crappy contract language, despite all their legal eagles...

Yes... USAPA has sadly been left with the mess that ALPA created... and cleaning it up could take forever!...

What we learned in BK1 and BK2... the company can screw you around over your pay, your vacation, your sick leave.. (any and all sections of the contract) etc., etc., etc... but a pilot's seniorty or LOS with that company cannot be taken away by that company... (only by a crappy union -- ALPA and their namby-pamby merger BS).

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Life is just too short for that type of heart ache. You should consider your ageing health and just QUIT now.

AWA320

Why and give up watching the weird,weird ,west? heartache? you guys are the best laughs, I would never quit, this gives us a chance to, Picket, Petition, and Protest, ! MM!

 

[Black Swan]

😀

Hmmmm... So the arbitration and the DOH pipe dream are lost, but continuous delay is the loophole. Got it.

Only problem in your analogy is that your loophole does not lead to victory. It only leads to damages assessed against you.

Jetzzzzz. You missed the point entirely. The loophole is selecting a new bargaining agent. ALPA being replaced by USAPA. Kind of like firing a contractor you had hired because in the middle of the job, you found out he was stealing and falsifying bills. You then hire a new one. Is the new contractor beholden to the earlier agreement? No. Not unless he signs the same contract. I ask again. If there is a LEGAL loophole you could use to be aquitted in a judgement, speeding ticket, or fine- would you use it?(here is a hint, read the RLA Blog for an extremely detailed discourse on the subject) One can only smile when you watch the crew news PHX video.....THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS TO DECIDE......... 😀 😀 😀

 

[Black Swan]

If usapa wins the LOA93 grievence, sit back and relax or whatever. However, if the company wins the LOA93 grievence, somebody on the east needs to point blank ask Seham a simple question.

The question is, can usapa lose this whole DFR thing, and if so, what would he consider the maximum amount of damages that could be awarded the West.

If he answeres with anything other than, Yes usapa can lose, and the amount it would take to make the West whole back to
Aug, 2008. He is lying to you.

You have got to remember Nic4us, this LOA 93 is purely an ALPA issue. We have absolutely NO beef with USAPA Seham, or Cleary on this. They are merely trying to extricate us from all the ALPA mess.

 

[Black Swan]

If usapa wins the LOA93 grievence, sit back and relax or whatever. However, if the company wins the LOA93 grievence, somebody on the east needs to point blank ask Seham a simple question.

The question is, can usapa lose this whole DFR thing, and if so, what would he consider the maximum amount of damages that could be awarded the West.

If he answeres with anything other than, Yes usapa can lose, and the amount it would take to make the West whole back to
Aug, 2008. He is lying to you.

Unfortunately, you guys are getting profit sharing. There was a lot of legal discussion, and unfortunately, you have to get it. So you see USAPA is very careful handling you guys. There is going to be no DFR with a new contract. How are you going to cry damage like you always default to when we gave you profit sharing, also a DC plan and you stiffed us on pay parity? This, as we have said all along, is going to hurt you at the time we want it to hurt you.

 

[prechilill]

Jetzzzzz. You missed the point entirely. The loophole is selecting a new bargaining agent. ALPA being replaced by USAPA. Kind of like firing a contractor you had hired because in the middle of the job, you found out he was stealing and falsifying bills. You then hire a new one. Is the new contractor beholden to the earlier agreement? No. Not unless he signs the same contract. I ask again. If there is a LEGAL loophole you could use to be aquitted in a judgement, speeding ticket, or fine- would you use it?

And this "logic" offered above is why P.T. Barnum stated: "A sucker is born every minute".
This pilot group has been taken for a ride by a fantasy peddled by a lawyer who understood very well what Mr. Barnum was saying. There is no correlation between firing a contractor and arbitration labor law- but to a destitute simpleton it sure is an appetizing argument- another glimmer of hope. We saw another talking recently of "certification" of an arbitrated decision- NEWS FLASH: that procedure doesn't exist in our situation! Reading logic like we have seen in these past 300 pages makes you seriously wonder if these people actually function in society, if they are actually people at all and not bots posting 24/7 to just boost internet traffic.
Or maybe it is just Barnum was a genius and Seham, like Barnum, loves to run a circus to keep the simpletons entertained (while the money pours in). Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

 

[Black Swan]

And this "logic" offered above is why P.T. Barnum stated: "A sucker is born every minute".
This pilot group has been taken for a ride by a fantasy peddled by a lawyer who understood very well what Mr. Barnum was saying. There is no correlation between firing a contractor and arbitration labor law- but to a destitute simpleton it sure is an appetizing argument- another glimmer of hope. We saw another talking recently of "certification" of an arbitrated decision- NEWS FLASH: that procedure doesn't exist in our situation! Reading logic like we have seen in these past 300 pages makes you seriously wonder if these people actually function in society, if they are actually people at all and not bots posting 24/7 to just boost internet traffic.
Or maybe it is just Barnum was a genius and Seham, like Barnum, loves to run a circus to keep the simpletons entertained (while the money pours in). Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Would that lawyer you refer to be Mr/Dr. Jacobs? Merely put it in some basic terms your board legal eagles might find some correlation. The real heart of the matter is the west pilots are the only ones to fail to understand just what Parker said to you in your little get together. "This is for you guys to decide..." He gets it. Baptiste and Wilder, they get it, East pilots, ABSOLUTELY get it. Other arbitrators get it. Keep in mind this is NOT overturning an arbitration. Not at all. Selecting a new bargaining agent and INTERNAL UNION ISSUES is what it is all about.Did you get it when Doug told you he isn't taking your DISPUTED LIST??? If he had to take the Nic, then why didn't he??? Because he knows the truth that he has a new bargaining agent. And the 9th gave you a little hint that all of you choose to ignore in your swirl of DFR concerns. They said the Nic does not necessarily have to be it. Did you read that part or were you too busy googling circus talk?

 

[700UW]

Get your Australia and Wien pilot outfits out

US pilots cross IAM picket line in 92, cleaned planes during the 30 day cooling off period and strike and made a sweetheart deal with the company if they crossed the picket line all would be paid, regardless if the trip was flown or not, the company grounded all f28s, f100s, dc-9s, md-80s and 737-200s.

There is no solidarity and honor amongst the East Pilots. Jack London was correct.