US Pilots Labor Discussion

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Were guessing he saw the EASTER BUNNY too! MM!

You believe all that other crap he makes up.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Vote on what? A tentative agreement that will never be reached?

usapa is heading for the NMB parking lot, and the West just might accuse them of doing it intentionally.

Might, heck just do it what's another 2mill to you guys, besides your attorneys will need new beemers next year! MM

 

[AWA320]

Please call EAP, I am serious sir. They will handle your call anonymously. Just have a chat with them, it will not hurt. You have issues.

No that will be reserved for you again to use as you did before when the award came out. That FEAR is eating a hole in your gut now isnt it?? Let me say it again for you sum sum, MR PARKER WE THE COURTS CAN NOT OFFER LCC INDEMNITY!!! Checkmate!!!

AWA320

 

[Ames]

Let me ask you a question Ames. If you were in a court battle, and appeared to have lost your case -then, one of your attorneys finds a LEGAL loophole to win you an appeal, which you can win with the loophole. Would you take the loophole and take the victory, or would you take the loss? ALL LEGAL. What would you do????

I'm not a loophole kind of guy. I try to do the right thing every time, don't take shortcuts, don't lie and I don't reneg on agreements. I'm sure you won't believe this just as I'm sure you don't believe anything you don't want to believe but the question was worth answering.

One more thing. I can assure you that had Nicolau come out with a decision of DOH the west pilots would never have tried to pull the crap you people have. We would have sucked it up and moved on. We're just made differentlly out here.

 

[AWA320]

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101201-711216.html So much for working it out! MM!

But unlike you they will honor their agreements. FEAR got you worried about CAL and UAL now too huh? Just one more that willl go realitive. All that FEAR is going to eat you alive!!!

AWA320

 

[Ames]

Dude? Sir, can you grasp what a caveman aura you emanate, when you use dude. Yes you were a mesa pilot, awa320 was a trans states pilots a few years ago. TA was hired when america west airlines flew drugs and crossed picket lines. JM, your former alpa mec leader told Parker in a meeting that he claimed he observed the East pilots taxing with both engines running and the apu. Oh yes, we are all impressed.

Hey, as long as we're throwing out previous commuter experience, I was a Bizex pilot. Never got to fly drugs and haven't yet crossed a picket line but working on the east coast I got to see the east US Air pilots up close and personal. Explains why I never applied to US Air and why it is a very bitter pill to swallow having to now admit that I work for the airline I never wanted to work for.

But I digress. Are you saying that anyone with commuter airline experience is unworthy? Or is it just everyone else in general?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I'm not a loophole kind of guy. I try to do the right thing every time, don't take shortcuts, don't lie and I don't reneg on agreements. I'm sure you won't believe this just as I'm sure you don't believe anything you don't want to believe but the question was worth answering.

One more thing. I can assure you that had Nicolau come out with a decision of DOH the west pilots would never have tried to pull the crap you people have. We would have sucked it up and moved on. We're just made differentlly out here.

"We're just made differently out here", We believe that! MM1

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

I agree with that for the most part, except for one thing, the last sentence. While it's true we would have sucked it up without pulling what they have, I think it's a little to easy to say it's because we are made differently out here. We would have sucked it up because we would have had no choice, we were the minority group. Prater and ALPO would have never allowed us to pull what they did, and neither would the company.

The east had Prater coddling them, the single carrier ruling from the nmb with the numbers to exploit that fact, and the rest is history. History in the making I should say, it's still playing out.

 

[cleardirect]

Were guessing he saw the EASTER BUNNY too! MM!

You're not were. As long as you want to correct grammar.

 

[Phoenix]

Let me ask you a question Ames. If you were in a court battle, and appeared to have lost your case -then, one of your attorneys finds a LEGAL loophole to win you an appeal, which you can win with the loophole. Would you take the loophole and take the victory, or would you take the loss? ALL LEGAL. What would you do????

Loophole?! It was a majority vote. And it very may well be the first majority vote that I am sure ALPA didn't rig... well.. OK, maybe it did take a loophole that even ALPA couldn't manipulate.

 

[cleardirect]

They will only dismiss the Declaratory suit. They will not elaborate.

An example of what you will see soon from Judge Silver. Denied, dismissed, derailed.

Nice try

Failed to answer again.

If it is dismissed. What happens next? What does the company do? Do they use the agreed to arbitrated method and avoid a law suit. Or do they ignore their agreements and allow a made up seniority list?

What happens if the company says they will only use the Nicolau list because the court dismissed the case and they could not get relief? Just like voting usapa in eliminated any chance to negiotiate asking fot the dismissal may put usapa in a corner with nowhere to go.

So answer the question what if it is dismissed and the company refuses to use DOH?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

You're not were. As long as you want to correct grammar.

Thank's! MM! what is fot the dismissal ? Correct grammar you know!

 

[nic4us]

Failed to answer again.

If it is dismissed. What happens next? What does the company do? Do they use the agreed to arbitrated method and avoid a law suit. Or do they ignore their agreements and allow a made up seniority list?

What happens if the company says they will only use the Nicolau list because the court dismissed the case and they could not get relief? Just like voting usapa in eliminated any chance to negiotiate asking fot the dismissal may put usapa in a corner with nowhere to go.

So answer the question what if it is dismissed and the company refuses to use DOH?

Clear,

the only acceptable answere for the usapians is they will gey their way, their little lawyer told them so.

Was it not one year ago today the 9th heard oral arguements? It will probably be another year before the 9th decides not to hear the results of the company's DJ, whether it is dismissed or does not produce the results usapa wants, that is where it is heading.

Dismissed and the company already says they will appeal. A ruling that does not favor usapa, I am sure they will appeal.

Once the 9th says they are not touching it either, then the company says they are not touching DOH. Then usapa will ask the NMB to be released, and the NMB will tell usapa to pound sand, and go rethink their "internal union process".

 

[Phoenix]

Failed to answer again.

If it is dismissed. What happens next? What does the company do? Do they use the agreed to arbitrated method and avoid a law suit. Or do they ignore their agreements and allow a made up seniority list?

What happens if the company says they will only use the Nicolau list because the court dismissed the case and they could not get relief? Just like voting usapa in eliminated any chance to negiotiate asking fot the dismissal may put usapa in a corner with nowhere to go.

So answer the question what if it is dismissed and the company refuses to use DOH?

Its a negotiation. Nothing is settled until it is settled.

But if you want to play the little hypothetical.... What if the company agrees to take DOH, with LOA 93 for everyone, and an indemnity policy for any lawsuits? I mean be creative... you guys are made differently out there.

 

[Ames]

I agree with that for the most part, except for one thing, the last sentence. While it's true we would have sucked it up without pulling what they have, I think it's a little to easy to say it's because we are made differently out here. We would have sucked it up because we would have had no choice, we were the minority group. Prater and ALPO would have never allowed us to pull what they did, and neither would the company.

The east had Prater coddling them, the single carrier ruling from the nmb with the numbers to exploit that fact, and the rest is history. History in the making I should say, it's still playing out.

I disagree. Even if we were in the majority we would not have done what they did. I never would have supported it and I don't believe anyone I know would either. Binding arbitration is final. Trying to use loopholes to avoid your obligations is despicable and I don't know many people of that caliber from the former AWA.