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Labor Attorney Mike Abram Says USAPA Would Breach its Duty of Fair Representation by Changing the Nicolau Award

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Update for November 20, 2011

Quick Fact #205: Prior to USAPA's election as the bargaining agent for US Airways' pilots labor attorney Mike Abram wrote a letter to our pilots discussing USAPA's seniority proposal (i.e., strict “date of hire”). Abram concluded USAPA would breach its duty of fair representation under the Railway Labor Act by altering the arbitrated seniority integration award, US Airways cannot adopt a change, and the Nicolau Award cannot be altered. Mike Cleary's recent suggestion to mediate a solution to the seniority integration problem cannot be done because there is no agent legally certified to negotiate a change to the
Award for the West pilots.

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[nic4us]

Hey, I have my DOH I'm senoir to your whole airline I'm just sticking up for the junior guys.!!!

Hey, I have my DOH, and I am senior to your whole airline....uhmmm..not that it matters much, because I don't work for your airline.

I do however work for LCC, and if there is ever a joint contract, it will contain the Nic, and you can then be senior to me at our airline.

Til then, you are only senior at your airline, you need the Nic to be senior over the AWA pilots, and you are screwing the junior guys on both sides, and now you are also screwing the new hires. Way to go there senior guy!!

 

[ROACLT]

Labor Attorney Mike Abram Says USAPA Would Breach its Duty of Fair Representation by Changing the Nicolau Award

Dear Subscriber,

Update for November 20, 2011

Quick Fact #205: Prior to USAPA's election as the bargaining agent for US Airways' pilots labor attorney Mike Abram wrote a letter to our pilots discussing USAPA's seniority proposal (i.e., strict “date of hire”). Abram concluded USAPA would breach its duty of fair representation under the Railway Labor Act by altering the arbitrated seniority integration award, US Airways cannot adopt a change, and the Nicolau Award cannot be altered. Mike Cleary's recent suggestion to mediate a solution to the seniority integration problem cannot be done because there is no agent legally certified to negotiate a change to the
Award for the West pilots.

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You present something as a recent update but in essence are rehashing a letter that was written by an ALPA attorney over 3 1/2 years ago and what amounts to campaign material when that union was desperate in an attempt to fend off defeat in a union certification election. Your grip on manipulating the truth and facts as you perceive it speaks of a pathology or an attempt to manipulate. Yep, real honesty and integrity.

 

[luvthe9]

You present something as a recent update but in essence are rehashing a letter that was written by an ALPA attorney over 3 1/2 years ago and what amounts to campaign material when that union was desperate in an attempt to fend off defeat in a union certification election. Your grip on manipulating the truth and facts as you perceive it speaks of a pathology or an attempt to manipulate. Yep, real honesty and integrity.

You are so right that is why nobody ever listens to him, he's the joke of this airline.

 

[luvthe9]

Hey, I have my DOH, and I am senior to your whole airline....uhmmm..not that it matters much, because I don't work for your airline.

I do however work for LCC, and if there is ever a joint contract, it will contain the Nic, and you can then be senior to me at our airline.

Til then, you are only senior at your airline, you need the Nic to be senior over the AWA pilots, and you are screwing the junior guys on both sides, and now you are also screwing the new hires. Way to go there senior guy!!

There will be no joint contract ever, Parker does not want one, surely you know that. There will never be a NIC here, I'm sure you know that also, more than likely you will be pieced off in the next upcoming transaction, we are not screwing our junior people over here they are happy for are support. There will be an awful amount of hiring soon on the east side to bad you have chosen to share in it. And as always seperate ops are just fine with us.

 

[Res Judicata]

You present something as a recent update but in essence are rehashing a letter that was written by an ALPA attorney over 3 1/2 years ago and what amounts to campaign material when that union was desperate in an attempt to fend off defeat in a union certification election. Your grip on manipulating the truth and facts as you perceive it speaks of a pathology or an attempt to manipulate. Yep, real honesty and integrity.

Amazing how you forget that a Jury of your peers, after due process AFFIRMED THE ALPA ATTORNEY'S OPINION. Why do you guys continue to post things that make you look like complete imbeciles?

The fact patterns haven't changed a bit. Poverty or the Nic. Your choice.

 

[Res Judicata]

There will be no joint contract ever,

You'll be working under a Nic. inclusive joint contract by next Christmas.

MARK MY WORDS!!

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

Amazing how you forget that a Jury of your peers, after due process AFFIRMED THE ALPA ATTORNEY'S OPINION.

ROACLT,

Res Judicata is right but what he doesn't mention is it was biased by the nature of the evidence that was allowed to be presented to the jury and the instructions they were given. I will just limit to one smiley.

 

[Res Judicata]

ROACLT,

Res Judicata is right but what he doesn't mention is it was biased by the nature of the evidence that was allowed to be presented to the jury and the instructions they were given. I will just limit to one smiley.

What signals have the courts been sending that the Merits of Addington were in any way improper? Sounds to me like you're just spewing more Eastholeish, "it's not my fault, we got screwed again" B.S..

 

[Reed Richards]

Amazing how you forget that a Jury of your peers, after due process AFFIRMED THE ALPA ATTORNEY'S OPINION.

The fact patterns haven't changed a bit. Poverty or the Nic. Your choice.

I find it simply odd, not funny "ha ha" that you would validate the campaign swill of an ALPA attorney with the supposed verdict from a kangaroo court , a verdict that never even happened in the eyes of the law. ALPA led you down this path by lying to you about USAPA’s polling during the election. Leo is now lying to you telling you somehow Nic will live again.

If the "fact patterns" have not changed, why do you all keep asking the same questions? I would also be lying to say our answer was anything but "poverty."

RR

 

[Move2CLT]

ROACLT,

Res Judicata is right but what he doesn't mention is it was biased by the nature of the evidence that was allowed to be presented to the jury and the instructions they were given. I will just limit to one smiley.

Biased by the nature of the evidence?!?! What TV show did you steal that from?

I don't ever recall your MC or MEC objecting to any bias during the ENTIRE process. You have something I missed?

 

[Move2CLT]

You present something as a recent update but in essence are rehashing a letter that was written by an ALPA attorney over 3 1/2 years ago and what amounts to campaign material when that union was desperate in an attempt to fend off defeat in a union certification election. Your grip on manipulating the truth and facts as you perceive it speaks of a pathology or an attempt to manipulate. Yep, real honesty and integrity.

The age is irrelevant. Fact is that the merit's o fAddington are sound and not in dispute. And the fact that, once ripeness is established, there is the basis for an UNQUESTIONABLY ripe DFR suit means Addington simply waits.

 

[Reed Richards]

The age is irrelevant. Fact is that the merit's o fAddington are sound and not in dispute. And the fact that, once ripeness is established, there is the basis for an UNQUESTIONABLY ripe DFR suit means Addington simply waits.

Merits not in dispute? Really.

I love the way you guys capitalize "unquestionably." Has anyone here doubted the fact you will have a ripe claim following a ratified contract? I don't recall any dissenters here concerning that FACT. Unquestionably ripe. See, works just fine is small letters.

RR

 

[Move2CLT]

I find it simply odd, not funny "ha ha" that you would validate the campaign swill of an ALPA attorney with the supposed verdict from a kangaroo court , a verdict that never even happened in the eyes of the law. ALPA led you down this path by lying to you about USAPA’s polling during the election. Leo is now lying to you telling you somehow Nic will live again.

If the "fact patterns" have not changed, why do you all keep asking the same questions? I would also be lying to say our answer was anything but "poverty."

RR

Man you're funny. Campaign swill and kangaroo court? And this coming from a USAPA supporter!!!

How is USAPA's campaign swill going down? Pretty tasty?

Addington is not dead as you'd like to believe. The courts seem to like referring to it quite a bit and it passed the merit test. You guys got lucky on a technicality but I guarantee you'll see Addington again.

ALPA didn't lie about the polling. The polling showed it was going to be a very close run and it was a very close run. No lying at all. Wilson polling was, as usual, spot on.

And speaking of lying, how's USAPA holding up its end of the bargain? New contract? Nope.

DOH? Nope and now looking for compromise.

Show the company who is boss? Nope - injunction.

So it looks like you've been lied to more by USAPA than anyone else.

 

[LSS]

Man you're funny. Campaign swill and kangaroo court? And this coming from a USAPA supporter!!!

1890 posts since August... and sadly you've failed at changing anyone's mind. Give it up... Looser!