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"While US Airways is a well-managed carrier......................."
Is this why MM thinks Boyd is so credible?
Is this why MM thinks Boyd is so credible?
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A merger with AA is just the latest pipe dream of MM. From "majority rules" to Addington to the 9th to LOA 93 to Naugler to the next merger to "scope and change of control" it's just the next MM disappointment waiting to happen. No worries, though - MM, and those like him, will always be able to come up with "The Next Big Event" that will set everything right in their world. When they retire, they'll be in their rocking chairs pontificating about the retro bennies they'll get from "The Next Big Event."
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Scope and change of control. Something a retired PI pilot would know nothing about. No slam dunk, by any means. But at some point, the change of control contractual items will have influence.
Jim, did you by any chance watch the last F/A crew news? Cry me a river, Doug, the "good" of the Company does not always equate to the good of the individual. My last wonderful crew of F/A's turned me on to it. Like the pilots , they have already agreed to Pref Bidding in a previous contract. May happen, but not without cost.
Scope...like I have been saying....the West (you and yours?) has NONE.
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Ya, that's always around the next corner isn't it.
Just like that big win you guys keep waiting for.
Pathetic.
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Funny...I don't remember any 70+ seat RJ's clogging up CLT back in the PI days. Based on my view since 1990, scope is something US pilots give up freely being the self-professed all-knowing bas&@%ds they are. 😛
Oh, it already has. Why do you think the company is called US Airways Group and not America West Holdings? (here's a hint: strictly to get around the change of control language - see how easy that is?)
But if it keeps you and MM occupied while you wait for the inevitable disappointment, have at it...
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Somebody can correct me, but I think the east contract says the sale of 20% (or 25%) of the assets triggers the fragmentation language, which allows the union to determine whether and if so which pilots go with the assets. There's something in there about sales of assets to multiple parties but I don't remember the particulars.
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[quote/]Scope...like I have been saying....the West (you and yours?) has NONE.
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Factually incorrect. But then again, what do you know?
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Factually incorrect. But then again, what do you know?
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BPR Special Telephonic Meeting Recap: January 24, 2012
The Board of Pilot Representatives (BPR) conducted a telephonic meeting on January 23, 2012. All Officers and BPR members were present with the following exceptions: Duly Designated Representatives (DDRs) Courtney Borman for Dewitt Ingram (CLT), Steve Bradford for Pete Dugstad (DCA), Jamie Weidner for Eric Jordan (PHL), and Bill McKee as Proxy for Steve Crimi (CLT). Also on the call were Communications Committee members, Attorney Pat Szymanski, Attorney Brian O'Dwyer, PHX Chairman Elect John E. Scherff and PHX Vice Chairman Elect David Simmons.
USAPA President Mike Cleary called the meeting to order at approximately 1435 ET.
In addition to Officer Reports, the following agenda was approved 10-0 (There are 11 Reps, but one Rep temporarily dropped from the call as voting was conducted; hence, the 10-0 vote count.)
Committee Staffing Procedures
Legal Billing Audit: Board review of billing audit to determine if action is needed
Officer Reports
President's Report
President Cleary began with the Pension Investigation Committee's request for the contract of a firm to perform an independent audit to address the PIC's concerns of inconsistent reported income. After discussion, the following motion was voted on:
BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Board of Pilot Representatives approves the contract with Peter Bell for a forensic audit of the Pension Investigation Committee Income and Expenses.
The motion failed by a vote of 5-6:
- FOR: McKee (CLT), Crimi (proxy McKee) (CLT), Ingram (DDR Borman) (CLT) , Szpyrka(PHL), Gillies (PHL)
- AGAINST: Stein (DCA), Dugstad (DDR Bradford)(DCA), Jordan (DDR Weidner)(PHL), Braid (PHX), Ferguson(PHX), Velez(PHX)
Next, Captain Cleary provided an update regarding the Flight and Duty Time Rules. The Scheduling Committee, Safety Committee, and Government Affairs Committee have been working together to analyze the rule. In addition, a meeting was held January 18 with US Airways Scheduling, using the US Airways trip optimizer to address issues affecting our operations. A full report will be available to the Board soon. President Cleary also noted we are working with CAPA on the issue, and the joint objection remains the cargo carve-out.
CLT Chairman Bill McKee then gave a report on the latest Labor Coalition Board of Directors meeting in Phoenix.
Vice President's Report
VP Mowrey updated the Board on the West Efficiency Recovery Program (ERP) and again affirmed the hard work of PHX-based pilot Johan De Vicq in this effort. USAPA has now communicated with the Company in writing, requesting justification for how they calculate the credit hours, and is awaiting a reply.
Captain Mowrey then addressed recent crime issues having occurred at or nearby the USAPA Office. This includes a stolen laptop from VP Mowrey's office, and the assault and severe injury of a Sheraton Four Points hotel employee nearby USAPA headquarters. The hotel employee was beaten severely with baseball bats and this is believed by Charlotte Police Department to be a possible gang initiation. It was also stressed that all volunteers and visitors be vigilant and extremely careful when leaving the office.
Secretary-Treasurer's Report
S-T Rob Streble then submitted a list of three new members, who were approved unanimously. Next, the BPR Meeting Minutes for May 28, May 31, and July 12, 2011 were approved by a vote of 7-0-4:
- FOR: McKee (CLT), Crimi (proxy McKee) (CLT), Ingram (DDR Borman) (CLT), Szpyrka (PHL), Gillies (PHL), Dugstad (DDR Bradford)(DCA), Braid (PHX)
- ABSTAIN: Stein (DCA), Jordan (DDR Weidner)(PHL), Ferguson (PHX), Velez (PHX)
The BPR then discussed the quality of the minutes taken by contracted BPR meeting Note Takers, and how to achieve a more timely release of minutes. Lastly, S-T Streble briefed the BPR that USAPA's cash balance is very good at this time, with a cash position exceeding $5 million.
Executive Vice President's Report
Captain Hummel addressed the security system of the CLT office building, and suggested a review of the video surveillance tape due to the recent laptop theft. He then presented the Board with the contract for Darryl Jenkins, Aviation Consulting Group, requested by NAC Chairman Paul DiOrio, to assist in reviewing some Company proposals. The motion to approve the contract passed unanimously.
Agenda Item 1 - Committee Staffing Procedures
DCA Rep Joe Stein proposed a Committee Staffing resolution, and a thorough discussion and debate followed regarding related policy and procedure. After editorial revisions, the following resolution was voted on.
WHEREAS, The Constitution and By-Laws states:
"The President, subject to the advice and approval of the Board of Pilot Representatives, shall appoint, remove and replace members to the standing committees established by the Board of Pilot Representatives", and
WHEREAS, the Union Operating Manual States:
"The President shall make all appointments to committees and subcommittees as per the Constitution and Bylaws. Such appointments or removals are subject to the approval or rejection of the BPR which will occur at the next BPR meeting after the appointment(s) or removal(s).
All committees and their members, including ad-hoc committees will be listed on the USAPA Website. The list of ad-hoc committees shall include the inception date of each committee.
The President may call for interviews for committee assignments to be conducted at BPR meetings." And,
WHEREAS, several committees to include the Communications Committee, Grievance Committee, Negotiating Advisory Committee and Safety Committee are or can be full time positions where members are on full flight pay loss which is paid by the membership;
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, the Board wishes to:
1. Ensure that the pilot group is aware of imminent appointments prior to selection,
2. Be made aware of the qualifications of candidates, and
3. Be able to provide "advice" prior to appointments, and,
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the BPR hereby directs the UOM Committee to craft the language for BPR approval and inclusion in the UOM which states that the President shall have the Communications Committee advertise all specific committee openings to the membership prior to appointments; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the BPR directs the UOM Committee to craft language for BPR approval and inclusion in the UOM which states that the President shall call for interviews before appointments can be made to the Communications Committee, Grievance Committee, Merger Committee, Negotiating Committee and Safety Committee.
BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that appointments and removals are addressed at the next BPR meeting or as soon as practical.
The motion passed 6-5:
- FOR: Stein (DCA), Dugstad (DDR Bradford)(DCA), Jordan (DDR Weidner)(PHL), Braid (PHX), Ferguson (PHX), Velez (PHX)
- AGAINST: McKee (CLT), Crimi (proxy McKee) (CLT), Ingram (DDR Borman) (CLT), Szpyrka (PHL), Gillies (PHL)
Agenda Item 2 - Legal Billing Audit: Board review of billing audit to determine if action is needed
DCA Rep Stein presented the second agenda item to the Board for discussion on spending levels and the time frame for the legal billing audit. S-T Streble addressed the issues of current costs to date.
The preliminary report from Attorney Sarah McShea was quoted:
"It is unfortunate that the Seham firm has been so uncooperative with the audit. It has resulted in significantly higher costs to USAPA and delayed the progress of our review. However, we expect to be able to complete the audit and report on those findings to USAPA, as we were retained to do. It does appear that the audit was not only sensible undertaking by the USAPA Board, but is likely to reveal, based upon our preliminary review of the detail in bills, that USAPA overpaid its counsel."
After much discussion, the BPR tabled the item until the next meeting, while directing President Cleary and S-T Streble to work with the Sarah McShea to get an updated report to include anticipated dollar amounts. A resolution addressing potential actions by the BPR was discussed but not acted on. Instead, the Board decided it would be prudent to wait until additional audit information could be provided.
The meeting adjourned at approximately 1725 ET.
The Board of Pilot Representatives (BPR) conducted a telephonic meeting on January 23, 2012. All Officers and BPR members were present with the following exceptions: Duly Designated Representatives (DDRs) Courtney Borman for Dewitt Ingram (CLT), Steve Bradford for Pete Dugstad (DCA), Jamie Weidner for Eric Jordan (PHL), and Bill McKee as Proxy for Steve Crimi (CLT). Also on the call were Communications Committee members, Attorney Pat Szymanski, Attorney Brian O'Dwyer, PHX Chairman Elect John E. Scherff and PHX Vice Chairman Elect David Simmons.
USAPA President Mike Cleary called the meeting to order at approximately 1435 ET.
In addition to Officer Reports, the following agenda was approved 10-0 (There are 11 Reps, but one Rep temporarily dropped from the call as voting was conducted; hence, the 10-0 vote count.)
Committee Staffing Procedures
Legal Billing Audit: Board review of billing audit to determine if action is needed
Officer Reports
President's Report
President Cleary began with the Pension Investigation Committee's request for the contract of a firm to perform an independent audit to address the PIC's concerns of inconsistent reported income. After discussion, the following motion was voted on:
BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Board of Pilot Representatives approves the contract with Peter Bell for a forensic audit of the Pension Investigation Committee Income and Expenses.
The motion failed by a vote of 5-6:
- FOR: McKee (CLT), Crimi (proxy McKee) (CLT), Ingram (DDR Borman) (CLT) , Szpyrka(PHL), Gillies (PHL)
- AGAINST: Stein (DCA), Dugstad (DDR Bradford)(DCA), Jordan (DDR Weidner)(PHL), Braid (PHX), Ferguson(PHX), Velez(PHX)
Next, Captain Cleary provided an update regarding the Flight and Duty Time Rules. The Scheduling Committee, Safety Committee, and Government Affairs Committee have been working together to analyze the rule. In addition, a meeting was held January 18 with US Airways Scheduling, using the US Airways trip optimizer to address issues affecting our operations. A full report will be available to the Board soon. President Cleary also noted we are working with CAPA on the issue, and the joint objection remains the cargo carve-out.
CLT Chairman Bill McKee then gave a report on the latest Labor Coalition Board of Directors meeting in Phoenix.
Vice President's Report
VP Mowrey updated the Board on the West Efficiency Recovery Program (ERP) and again affirmed the hard work of PHX-based pilot Johan De Vicq in this effort. USAPA has now communicated with the Company in writing, requesting justification for how they calculate the credit hours, and is awaiting a reply.
Captain Mowrey then addressed recent crime issues having occurred at or nearby the USAPA Office. This includes a stolen laptop from VP Mowrey's office, and the assault and severe injury of a Sheraton Four Points hotel employee nearby USAPA headquarters. The hotel employee was beaten severely with baseball bats and this is believed by Charlotte Police Department to be a possible gang initiation. It was also stressed that all volunteers and visitors be vigilant and extremely careful when leaving the office.
Secretary-Treasurer's Report
S-T Rob Streble then submitted a list of three new members, who were approved unanimously. Next, the BPR Meeting Minutes for May 28, May 31, and July 12, 2011 were approved by a vote of 7-0-4:
- FOR: McKee (CLT), Crimi (proxy McKee) (CLT), Ingram (DDR Borman) (CLT), Szpyrka (PHL), Gillies (PHL), Dugstad (DDR Bradford)(DCA), Braid (PHX)
- ABSTAIN: Stein (DCA), Jordan (DDR Weidner)(PHL), Ferguson (PHX), Velez (PHX)
The BPR then discussed the quality of the minutes taken by contracted BPR meeting Note Takers, and how to achieve a more timely release of minutes. Lastly, S-T Streble briefed the BPR that USAPA's cash balance is very good at this time, with a cash position exceeding $5 million.
Executive Vice President's Report
Captain Hummel addressed the security system of the CLT office building, and suggested a review of the video surveillance tape due to the recent laptop theft. He then presented the Board with the contract for Darryl Jenkins, Aviation Consulting Group, requested by NAC Chairman Paul DiOrio, to assist in reviewing some Company proposals. The motion to approve the contract passed unanimously.
Agenda Item 1 - Committee Staffing Procedures
DCA Rep Joe Stein proposed a Committee Staffing resolution, and a thorough discussion and debate followed regarding related policy and procedure. After editorial revisions, the following resolution was voted on.
WHEREAS, The Constitution and By-Laws states:
"The President, subject to the advice and approval of the Board of Pilot Representatives, shall appoint, remove and replace members to the standing committees established by the Board of Pilot Representatives", and
WHEREAS, the Union Operating Manual States:
"The President shall make all appointments to committees and subcommittees as per the Constitution and Bylaws. Such appointments or removals are subject to the approval or rejection of the BPR which will occur at the next BPR meeting after the appointment(s) or removal(s).
All committees and their members, including ad-hoc committees will be listed on the USAPA Website. The list of ad-hoc committees shall include the inception date of each committee.
The President may call for interviews for committee assignments to be conducted at BPR meetings." And,
WHEREAS, several committees to include the Communications Committee, Grievance Committee, Negotiating Advisory Committee and Safety Committee are or can be full time positions where members are on full flight pay loss which is paid by the membership;
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, the Board wishes to:
1. Ensure that the pilot group is aware of imminent appointments prior to selection,
2. Be made aware of the qualifications of candidates, and
3. Be able to provide "advice" prior to appointments, and,
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the BPR hereby directs the UOM Committee to craft the language for BPR approval and inclusion in the UOM which states that the President shall have the Communications Committee advertise all specific committee openings to the membership prior to appointments; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the BPR directs the UOM Committee to craft language for BPR approval and inclusion in the UOM which states that the President shall call for interviews before appointments can be made to the Communications Committee, Grievance Committee, Merger Committee, Negotiating Committee and Safety Committee.
BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that appointments and removals are addressed at the next BPR meeting or as soon as practical.
The motion passed 6-5:
- FOR: Stein (DCA), Dugstad (DDR Bradford)(DCA), Jordan (DDR Weidner)(PHL), Braid (PHX), Ferguson (PHX), Velez (PHX)
- AGAINST: McKee (CLT), Crimi (proxy McKee) (CLT), Ingram (DDR Borman) (CLT), Szpyrka (PHL), Gillies (PHL)
Agenda Item 2 - Legal Billing Audit: Board review of billing audit to determine if action is needed
DCA Rep Stein presented the second agenda item to the Board for discussion on spending levels and the time frame for the legal billing audit. S-T Streble addressed the issues of current costs to date.
The preliminary report from Attorney Sarah McShea was quoted:
"It is unfortunate that the Seham firm has been so uncooperative with the audit. It has resulted in significantly higher costs to USAPA and delayed the progress of our review. However, we expect to be able to complete the audit and report on those findings to USAPA, as we were retained to do. It does appear that the audit was not only sensible undertaking by the USAPA Board, but is likely to reveal, based upon our preliminary review of the detail in bills, that USAPA overpaid its counsel."
After much discussion, the BPR tabled the item until the next meeting, while directing President Cleary and S-T Streble to work with the Sarah McShea to get an updated report to include anticipated dollar amounts. A resolution addressing potential actions by the BPR was discussed but not acted on. Instead, the Board decided it would be prudent to wait until additional audit information could be provided.
The meeting adjourned at approximately 1725 ET.
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Update for January 24, 2012: ALPA vs. USAPA New Contract Progress Comparison
Dear Subscriber,
Update for January 24, 2011
Quick Fact #224: USAPA expects the NMB to park new contract talks following this week’s meetings (NMB no longer participates in negotiations and self-help provisions are not available). The Preliminary Injunction will remain in place until USAPA and US Airways reach a new joint agreement or the National Mediation Board releases the parties from mediation.
With the NMB no longer participating in contract discussions and self-help not an option the only way the Preliminary Injunction will end is to obtain a joint contract. With no NMB help to obtain a joint contract should US Airways’ pilots seek a new direction to obtain a long overdue new contract?
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Dear Subscriber,
Update for January 24, 2011
Quick Fact #224: USAPA expects the NMB to park new contract talks following this week’s meetings (NMB no longer participates in negotiations and self-help provisions are not available). The Preliminary Injunction will remain in place until USAPA and US Airways reach a new joint agreement or the National Mediation Board releases the parties from mediation.
With the NMB no longer participating in contract discussions and self-help not an option the only way the Preliminary Injunction will end is to obtain a joint contract. With no NMB help to obtain a joint contract should US Airways’ pilots seek a new direction to obtain a long overdue new contract?
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The east may have to dust off that portion of their contract if parker/kirby get's what they want going forward.
BIG IF (< 20% chance) a merger takes place with AMR,....LCC's DCA will have to be CARVED UP along with demoting other non-essential east and west hubs...IMO.
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Unbiased Facts' article is interesting. Not only can we compare what USAPA gave up from the ALPA JNC TA'ed items, we get a good feel about the pilot's future. It appears the NMB will park negotiations and US Airways' pilots will have the Preliminary Injunction hanging over their heads because they cannot get a NMB release and they cannot obtain a new contract. The ReformUSAPA candidates shunned the only east officer candidate willing to work together with the west. Regardless of what happens in the union officer election the east and west pilots will likely remain bitterly divided. I believe we will either have all east pilots as officers or west pilots as the President, VP, and EVP and the 8-3 BPR Rep vote remaining in place cemented by anger and emotion over the officer elections.
You are not surprised by that, are you?
Zat u on the radio the other day, Pi?
Might have been, been flying and in and out of PHL.
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