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As opposed to you guys showing up everywhere in full uniform with epaulets that don't actually match your rank ?
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Is that so?
You? I show up with the proper epaulets, the ones with 4 stripes. But I don't show up anywhere with them on except work.
Yep, they layed out their plan for a contract, well thought out, you dismiss it. You support Hummel, what is his plan?
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Compass Correction Coalition Update: (Bill Glynn Let Me Tell You How To Vote!): February 20, 2012
Hey, Buddy...let ME tell YOU how to vote! Just ask Mr. Know-it-All
USAPA Communication’s Committee Member, Bill Glynn
Fellow Pilots,
In our “Angry President” edition of the Compass Correction last week, we informed our readers of the attempted “office ambush” of Gary Hummel by Mike Cleary. Mike’s history of clumsy attempts at confrontational schemes with Gary, Rob Streble, the prior EVP Dave Ciabattoni, Lee Seham, Jim Brengle, Jay Lyle, etc., makes it very easy to see them coming, if one knows the signs.
You may recall that the contrived reason for the meeting was supposedly the discussion of a technical glitch. The actual intent of this meeting was to provoke Gary in front of Mike’s chosen witnesses so that they could later contrive whatever Mike’s version of the meeting was. When Gary tried to have Rob attend the ambush as a witness, Cleary refused and then Gary politely refused to attend as well.
Ignoring the complete failure of the plan, Mike Cleary never the less, released a “Confidential” report of Gary’s supposed malfeasance to the BPR at 3:54PM on February 7th; (a “report” of a meeting that never tooke place). Two minutes later, in violation of decency, and likely LMRDA election laws, he sent a copy of the contrived confidential report to Bill Glynn. The text of Mike Cleary’s email to Glynn appears below:
From: michaeljcleary@gmail.com
To: b767pilot@aol.com
Sent: 2/7/2012 3:56:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: FW: Disruptive Behavior
I just sent this out, so you may want to give it a day or two to send along and find someone else to have provided it to you, like Mike G or Spike. Will work on the Streble piece now.
USAPA Communications Committee Member Bill Glynn and his “ya-ya” Board are once again attempting to play a prominent role in helping Cleary and his pal McKee in our elections. Using slanderous and in some cases, completely fabricated communications designed to dupe the US Airways Pilots; they are shameless in their lying. Take another look at that last sentence, above; “Will work on the Streble piece now?” Now...what could the “Streble piece” be? What did Mike Cleary refer to, in that sentence?
Well, the mystery was solved on February 13th with the release of the Rob Streble hatchet-job piece by Bill Glynn’s Ghost writer, Mike Cleary.
The “Streble Piece” contains character assassinations of not only Rob Streble, but several other individuals who have serve the pilots and USAPA.
Those of you who are not subscribers to USAPA Communication’s Committee Member Bill Glynn’s web board or email list, may have missed him calling one of our former USAPA PHL Domicile Reps a “Useful Idiot”. Bill Glynn frequently shares his self-proclaimed wealth of knowledge on far-ranging subjects including the operations of our Union, Airline, Construction, Real Estate, Dr. Bronner; you name-it.
This “Oracle” is fond of sharing his latest (supposedly inside) information, rumors, innuendos and lies, to discredit those who disagree with him or his pals.
Former Communication Chairman Scott Theuer was fond of saying we (USAPA) can’t put this, or that out, through the official channels.....so let’s , instead send it over to Bill Glynn; he can get it out using his distribution lists. If you think this improbable, simply ask current Comm. Chair Feiser, or past Rep. Eric Jordan for confirmation of this fact. The date and times are available.
Just last month Glynn alerted his readers about President Cleary overhearing a “secret” phone conversation of EVP Hummel in the hallways of that dangerous Four Points hotel in CLT. No one, (including Cleary) can confirm the nefarious nature of this conversation, but Glynn never let’s facts stand in the way of a good story.
So how much will this whisper campaign cost the members of USAPA? Well, in the opinion of Compass Correction Team, it might negate the entire election. Standby for an election challenge to the appeals board with DOL (Department of Labor) oversight! In addition, the PHL Pilots should be really proud of their Reps, Spike & Mike (Chester) after their inability to conform to fair election rules and good judgment.
Bill Glynn wasn’t always a “Hard-Liner” Cleary tough guy. Below you will find a number of vintage Bill Glynn proclamations. It’s just a small sample of our Glynn Archive. Enjoy the painful missives; insights into the mind and heart of a truly concessionary “give away guy”...then ask yourself why some of our fellow Pilots are so gullible as to listen to this “Human Windsock!”
The first letter below from Glynn is supporting LOA 91; the largest scope concession at US Airways ever, giving the company additional authority to outsource mainline jobs (Bye Bye - MDA)
From: b767pilot@aol.comTo: <Phillypilot@yahoogroups.com>Cc: <Pilotaction@yahoogroups.com>; <ALPA 138Pilots@yahoogroups.com>; <LGA 135@yahoogroups.com>;
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 11:45 PM
Subject: [phillypilot] Re: Another "Call to Action"
I have written before about the need to write and demand that the two PHL MEC Reps, John Crocker and Dan Von Bargen, stop voting with the 2 MEC Reps in PIT to stop the agreement with the company concerning Scope Language~
If you have not written or called Crocker or Von Bargen, your job and career and your finacial futures are at stake.
These two men along with the 2 MEC Reps in PIT have effectively blocked the agreement that was already negotiated with the company, have gone against the ALPA National Advisors and the other 7 members of the MEC and a majority of the pilots they say they represent.
This Scope Agreement was already agreed to by all parties. These 4 MEC Reps, better known now as the "Rollcall 4" or RC4, pulled the rug out from under the Negotiating Committee. In addition, they blind sided the other 7 MEC members and the ALPA advisors at the last moment. As avowed "Hard-liners" they did this to show they have the power to stop all negotiations and they have succeeded. In addition, they have taken--the -right you-voted for-to vote on any new TA agreements. ,- ._-- ----.- - -
All this has been done at a time when the company has to show the financial community it has the cooperation of it's unions, particularly the pilots to help transform this place. ----_ __. ------_.--- - - .._
-- - - -- --- -----.-----
We have all heard the rumors as to what US Airways Management want to do to us now. But, we will never get the chance to find out if these rumors are true. We will never get the chance to see if they really have a good plan. We will never get the chance to fight for our survival. We will never get to negotiate with this company or to put our input to decisions that must be made quickly because of 4 men.
Most of us come to work and do a job. We pay little attention to what the union does or does not do. Because of that apathy, these 4 men have been allowed to hijack our union and our futures. Less then 30 percent of the pilots voted in their election and they barely received a majority of that 30%, yet they now think they have a mandate to act as hard-liners.
One of these Hard-liners recently stated that no matter what this union does, the company already has it's plans made. I ask that man to provide proof of that statement. Show us all the proof that you already know what the company is going to do because talk is cheap and there is too much at stake for a lot of rhetoric with no foundation to facts.
We will wake up to an announcement in the next few weeks that will begin the process of our disappearance. Of that, I have no doubt unless we begin at once to work with this management team.
Dr. Bronner stated in his CLT speech that he will help us grow and prosper if he sees we are willing to help ourselves. He also stated that neither he nor Siegel are in control of events that will cause our disappearance. That is the financial community. By the actions of the RC4 we have told the financial community that we will not work to help make this place successful.
Only the pilots in PHL can do this. The two MEC Reps will only listen to the pilots here. If you have never written a letter or an email to the union reps, this will be your last chance and could be the most important one you will ever write to anyone.
This is as serious as it gets. I urge you to take a few moments to write to John Crocker and Dan Von Bargen. Take a few moments to call these two guys. Tell them you are not happy with what they have done and tell them they need to get with the majority of the other MEC Reps and help navigate this company towards success. They must allow you to vote on the new agreement. That is our right. That is the what we voted on and won. That must be allowed.
John Crocker –
Dan Von Bargen –
Respectfully,
Bill Glynn
In his second letter, Glynn writes about his willingness to crossing a picket line.
-------------- Original message from B767pilot@aol.com: --------------
This is only my opinion, but I'm afraid that the only way to steal our union back is to allow it to self-destruct.
When I tell guys that the RC4 are talking about a strike if our contract is changed, even the guys that have supported the efforts of these idiots look at me in total disbelief. They can't believe I am serious. They think it's a joke or a stupid rumor and don't believe anyone would take that serious. I love it, since these are Philly pilots. It shows me how little support they would have.
I don't believe they could get 20% to follow them. I'd like to let those 20% walk out anyway with the 4 jackasses leading them. The rest of us can laugh as we cross the line and go to work. With all the publicity about how they have gone against the majority, I doubt any other union members would care.
I say, let them call a strike. When 80% cross the line, perhaps we can then take our union back from people that have no business in a cockpit or as responsible union leaders.
Perhaps when the company gives us the contract we will probably get, the one that is far worse then the one we could have negotiated, then perhaps people that have been sitting on the fence will be forced to look at what has happened and then maybe we will be able to get our union back. It might take something as drastic as a strike to weed out the morons and all the people that are serious about making this place work can remain.
Bill Glynn
The third letter is about getting a deal any deal (read that as the timid Glynn loving LOA93)
----- Original Message -----
From: b767pilot@aol.com
To: BDPollock@adelphia.net
Cc: MGlanzer@paladincapgroup.com ; J.Stephan@verizon.net ; Pilotaction@yahoogroups.com ; Phillypilot@yahoogroups.com ; ; ALPA138Pilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:47 PM
Subject: [phillypilot] Re: Negotiations and our right to decide
Gentleman:
There comes a time when leaders are forced to lead. This is your moment. The thousands of pilots and their families are waiting for the outcome of our negotiations. I can only speak for myself and my family and ask that everything -- including our retirement plans if necessary, be placed on the table so negotiations can go forward and come to a successful conclusion.
I understand the ramifications of that request, but I also realize that I will have a much better chance of making enough to retire with, if I don't have to start by looking for a new job or career. I feel if this company can survive, it will thrive. I want that chance.
You owe it to us all to get the best agreement you can in the short time available to us and then allow us to decide on it's merits. It may not be the agreement you want or can support yourselves, and you can certainly campaign against it. We all understand that you are not to blame for the circumstances we find ourselves in. But to not allow us to decide such an important issue would be a travesty.
You hold all of our futures in your capable hands. Please use that power wisely.
Respectfully,
Bill Glynn
The next is about firing Flight Attendants participating in a job action, etc, etc…
From: b767pilot@aol.com
To: Phillypilot@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:58 PM
Subject: [phillypilot] Re: Fire those that won't work.....plane and simple
My Christmas was ruined because the aircraft that made up my flight from YUL never made it because there were no F/A's. In addition, I couldn't get home to PBI for the same reason, so I volunteered to fly for 2 days.
I have heard the "time and a half" for working holidays thrown around. But I have asked F/A's how much the company would have to pay them to come to work on Christmas and it doesn't come close to time and a half. Those that said they would were already at work Christmas. The others feel they are entitled to take Christmas off even if scheduled to work.
I did the math and kept it simple. 306 F/A's = 102 aircraft.
102 aircraft X 120 passengers = 12,240 passengers
120 passengers X 3 legs a day = 36,720 passengers.
That's 36,700 passengers that didn't get to where they paid to go that day because 302 F/A's feel entitled to take holidays off. Who did those F/A's hurt? The passengers that depended on them to show up and those of us that were out here working. In reality, they really hurt us all.
Some of those F/A's were supposed to be my friends. Fire them. My real friends don't let me down.
Bill Glynn
etc,etc...
B767pilot@aol.com
Date: March 23, 2006 9:08:02 PM CST
To: Phillypilot@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: Fwd: [pilotaction] Allegations involving our Merger Committee
Please read the following letters to the end.
What is this all about? It seems that PIT MEC Rep, John Brookman was eves dropping on a conversation taking place in another room and making notes in an effort to add more legal problems to the MEC from the MDA pilots.
The other people in that room, specifically Rick Spurlock have denied that any back room deals were made and that the conversation that Brookman over heard was about one of the many charts that have been prepared by the merger committee looking at different scenarios. In other words, he heard part of a conversation, didn't see the chart and didn't understand the context of the conversation, but made his conclusions based on only a small part of the story. Instead of making sure his facts are correct by asking those in the room, he sent his notes to MDA pilot Jim Portale so that more legal action can be brought against this MEC.
Anyone that knows Rick Spurlock can attest to his honesty.
When you ask the question why is this union in such a mess, maybe now you can place the blame where it belongs.
Maybe the name for the Pennsylvania Reps should be "The gang that couldn't shoot straight."
Bill Glynn
From: b767pilot@aol.com
To: Pilotaction@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Phillypilot@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:13 PM
Subject: [phillypilot] Re: [pilotaction] US Airways last nationally in baggage handling, complaints
Al Crellin should be fired. We have few of the old management people still here and he is one of them. Just goes to show you just how bad the old management was.
Parker needs to clean house starting at the top of the customer service dung heap. I would suggest we all start e-mailing Parker. Everytime a plane is late leaving a gate or not being loaded or unloaded, an e-mail should go out to him with the details.
They want us to manage, then we should report to the top.
He will either change his e-mail address or pay attention.
Bill Glynn
Fraternally,
Eric Rowe PHL A330
Woody Menear PHL 76i
Hey, Buddy...let ME tell YOU how to vote! Just ask Mr. Know-it-All
USAPA Communication’s Committee Member, Bill Glynn
Fellow Pilots,
In our “Angry President” edition of the Compass Correction last week, we informed our readers of the attempted “office ambush” of Gary Hummel by Mike Cleary. Mike’s history of clumsy attempts at confrontational schemes with Gary, Rob Streble, the prior EVP Dave Ciabattoni, Lee Seham, Jim Brengle, Jay Lyle, etc., makes it very easy to see them coming, if one knows the signs.
You may recall that the contrived reason for the meeting was supposedly the discussion of a technical glitch. The actual intent of this meeting was to provoke Gary in front of Mike’s chosen witnesses so that they could later contrive whatever Mike’s version of the meeting was. When Gary tried to have Rob attend the ambush as a witness, Cleary refused and then Gary politely refused to attend as well.
Ignoring the complete failure of the plan, Mike Cleary never the less, released a “Confidential” report of Gary’s supposed malfeasance to the BPR at 3:54PM on February 7th; (a “report” of a meeting that never tooke place). Two minutes later, in violation of decency, and likely LMRDA election laws, he sent a copy of the contrived confidential report to Bill Glynn. The text of Mike Cleary’s email to Glynn appears below:
From: michaeljcleary@gmail.com
To: b767pilot@aol.com
Sent: 2/7/2012 3:56:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: FW: Disruptive Behavior
I just sent this out, so you may want to give it a day or two to send along and find someone else to have provided it to you, like Mike G or Spike. Will work on the Streble piece now.
USAPA Communications Committee Member Bill Glynn and his “ya-ya” Board are once again attempting to play a prominent role in helping Cleary and his pal McKee in our elections. Using slanderous and in some cases, completely fabricated communications designed to dupe the US Airways Pilots; they are shameless in their lying. Take another look at that last sentence, above; “Will work on the Streble piece now?” Now...what could the “Streble piece” be? What did Mike Cleary refer to, in that sentence?
Well, the mystery was solved on February 13th with the release of the Rob Streble hatchet-job piece by Bill Glynn’s Ghost writer, Mike Cleary.
The “Streble Piece” contains character assassinations of not only Rob Streble, but several other individuals who have serve the pilots and USAPA.
Those of you who are not subscribers to USAPA Communication’s Committee Member Bill Glynn’s web board or email list, may have missed him calling one of our former USAPA PHL Domicile Reps a “Useful Idiot”. Bill Glynn frequently shares his self-proclaimed wealth of knowledge on far-ranging subjects including the operations of our Union, Airline, Construction, Real Estate, Dr. Bronner; you name-it.
This “Oracle” is fond of sharing his latest (supposedly inside) information, rumors, innuendos and lies, to discredit those who disagree with him or his pals.
Former Communication Chairman Scott Theuer was fond of saying we (USAPA) can’t put this, or that out, through the official channels.....so let’s , instead send it over to Bill Glynn; he can get it out using his distribution lists. If you think this improbable, simply ask current Comm. Chair Feiser, or past Rep. Eric Jordan for confirmation of this fact. The date and times are available.
Just last month Glynn alerted his readers about President Cleary overhearing a “secret” phone conversation of EVP Hummel in the hallways of that dangerous Four Points hotel in CLT. No one, (including Cleary) can confirm the nefarious nature of this conversation, but Glynn never let’s facts stand in the way of a good story.
So how much will this whisper campaign cost the members of USAPA? Well, in the opinion of Compass Correction Team, it might negate the entire election. Standby for an election challenge to the appeals board with DOL (Department of Labor) oversight! In addition, the PHL Pilots should be really proud of their Reps, Spike & Mike (Chester) after their inability to conform to fair election rules and good judgment.
Bill Glynn wasn’t always a “Hard-Liner” Cleary tough guy. Below you will find a number of vintage Bill Glynn proclamations. It’s just a small sample of our Glynn Archive. Enjoy the painful missives; insights into the mind and heart of a truly concessionary “give away guy”...then ask yourself why some of our fellow Pilots are so gullible as to listen to this “Human Windsock!”
The first letter below from Glynn is supporting LOA 91; the largest scope concession at US Airways ever, giving the company additional authority to outsource mainline jobs (Bye Bye - MDA)
From: b767pilot@aol.comTo: <Phillypilot@yahoogroups.com>Cc: <Pilotaction@yahoogroups.com>; <ALPA 138Pilots@yahoogroups.com>; <LGA 135@yahoogroups.com>;
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 11:45 PM
Subject: [phillypilot] Re: Another "Call to Action"
I have written before about the need to write and demand that the two PHL MEC Reps, John Crocker and Dan Von Bargen, stop voting with the 2 MEC Reps in PIT to stop the agreement with the company concerning Scope Language~
If you have not written or called Crocker or Von Bargen, your job and career and your finacial futures are at stake.
These two men along with the 2 MEC Reps in PIT have effectively blocked the agreement that was already negotiated with the company, have gone against the ALPA National Advisors and the other 7 members of the MEC and a majority of the pilots they say they represent.
This Scope Agreement was already agreed to by all parties. These 4 MEC Reps, better known now as the "Rollcall 4" or RC4, pulled the rug out from under the Negotiating Committee. In addition, they blind sided the other 7 MEC members and the ALPA advisors at the last moment. As avowed "Hard-liners" they did this to show they have the power to stop all negotiations and they have succeeded. In addition, they have taken--the -right you-voted for-to vote on any new TA agreements. ,- ._-- ----.- - -
All this has been done at a time when the company has to show the financial community it has the cooperation of it's unions, particularly the pilots to help transform this place. ----_ __. ------_.--- - - .._
-- - - -- --- -----.-----
We have all heard the rumors as to what US Airways Management want to do to us now. But, we will never get the chance to find out if these rumors are true. We will never get the chance to see if they really have a good plan. We will never get the chance to fight for our survival. We will never get to negotiate with this company or to put our input to decisions that must be made quickly because of 4 men.
Most of us come to work and do a job. We pay little attention to what the union does or does not do. Because of that apathy, these 4 men have been allowed to hijack our union and our futures. Less then 30 percent of the pilots voted in their election and they barely received a majority of that 30%, yet they now think they have a mandate to act as hard-liners.
One of these Hard-liners recently stated that no matter what this union does, the company already has it's plans made. I ask that man to provide proof of that statement. Show us all the proof that you already know what the company is going to do because talk is cheap and there is too much at stake for a lot of rhetoric with no foundation to facts.
We will wake up to an announcement in the next few weeks that will begin the process of our disappearance. Of that, I have no doubt unless we begin at once to work with this management team.
Dr. Bronner stated in his CLT speech that he will help us grow and prosper if he sees we are willing to help ourselves. He also stated that neither he nor Siegel are in control of events that will cause our disappearance. That is the financial community. By the actions of the RC4 we have told the financial community that we will not work to help make this place successful.
Only the pilots in PHL can do this. The two MEC Reps will only listen to the pilots here. If you have never written a letter or an email to the union reps, this will be your last chance and could be the most important one you will ever write to anyone.
This is as serious as it gets. I urge you to take a few moments to write to John Crocker and Dan Von Bargen. Take a few moments to call these two guys. Tell them you are not happy with what they have done and tell them they need to get with the majority of the other MEC Reps and help navigate this company towards success. They must allow you to vote on the new agreement. That is our right. That is the what we voted on and won. That must be allowed.
John Crocker –
Dan Von Bargen –
Respectfully,
Bill Glynn
In his second letter, Glynn writes about his willingness to crossing a picket line.
-------------- Original message from B767pilot@aol.com: --------------
This is only my opinion, but I'm afraid that the only way to steal our union back is to allow it to self-destruct.
When I tell guys that the RC4 are talking about a strike if our contract is changed, even the guys that have supported the efforts of these idiots look at me in total disbelief. They can't believe I am serious. They think it's a joke or a stupid rumor and don't believe anyone would take that serious. I love it, since these are Philly pilots. It shows me how little support they would have.
I don't believe they could get 20% to follow them. I'd like to let those 20% walk out anyway with the 4 jackasses leading them. The rest of us can laugh as we cross the line and go to work. With all the publicity about how they have gone against the majority, I doubt any other union members would care.
I say, let them call a strike. When 80% cross the line, perhaps we can then take our union back from people that have no business in a cockpit or as responsible union leaders.
Perhaps when the company gives us the contract we will probably get, the one that is far worse then the one we could have negotiated, then perhaps people that have been sitting on the fence will be forced to look at what has happened and then maybe we will be able to get our union back. It might take something as drastic as a strike to weed out the morons and all the people that are serious about making this place work can remain.
Bill Glynn
The third letter is about getting a deal any deal (read that as the timid Glynn loving LOA93)
----- Original Message -----
From: b767pilot@aol.com
To: BDPollock@adelphia.net
Cc: MGlanzer@paladincapgroup.com ; J.Stephan@verizon.net ; Pilotaction@yahoogroups.com ; Phillypilot@yahoogroups.com ; ; ALPA138Pilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:47 PM
Subject: [phillypilot] Re: Negotiations and our right to decide
Gentleman:
There comes a time when leaders are forced to lead. This is your moment. The thousands of pilots and their families are waiting for the outcome of our negotiations. I can only speak for myself and my family and ask that everything -- including our retirement plans if necessary, be placed on the table so negotiations can go forward and come to a successful conclusion.
I understand the ramifications of that request, but I also realize that I will have a much better chance of making enough to retire with, if I don't have to start by looking for a new job or career. I feel if this company can survive, it will thrive. I want that chance.
You owe it to us all to get the best agreement you can in the short time available to us and then allow us to decide on it's merits. It may not be the agreement you want or can support yourselves, and you can certainly campaign against it. We all understand that you are not to blame for the circumstances we find ourselves in. But to not allow us to decide such an important issue would be a travesty.
You hold all of our futures in your capable hands. Please use that power wisely.
Respectfully,
Bill Glynn
The next is about firing Flight Attendants participating in a job action, etc, etc…
From: b767pilot@aol.com
To: Phillypilot@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:58 PM
Subject: [phillypilot] Re: Fire those that won't work.....plane and simple
My Christmas was ruined because the aircraft that made up my flight from YUL never made it because there were no F/A's. In addition, I couldn't get home to PBI for the same reason, so I volunteered to fly for 2 days.
I have heard the "time and a half" for working holidays thrown around. But I have asked F/A's how much the company would have to pay them to come to work on Christmas and it doesn't come close to time and a half. Those that said they would were already at work Christmas. The others feel they are entitled to take Christmas off even if scheduled to work.
I did the math and kept it simple. 306 F/A's = 102 aircraft.
102 aircraft X 120 passengers = 12,240 passengers
120 passengers X 3 legs a day = 36,720 passengers.
That's 36,700 passengers that didn't get to where they paid to go that day because 302 F/A's feel entitled to take holidays off. Who did those F/A's hurt? The passengers that depended on them to show up and those of us that were out here working. In reality, they really hurt us all.
Some of those F/A's were supposed to be my friends. Fire them. My real friends don't let me down.
Bill Glynn
etc,etc...
B767pilot@aol.com
Date: March 23, 2006 9:08:02 PM CST
To: Phillypilot@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: Fwd: [pilotaction] Allegations involving our Merger Committee
Please read the following letters to the end.
What is this all about? It seems that PIT MEC Rep, John Brookman was eves dropping on a conversation taking place in another room and making notes in an effort to add more legal problems to the MEC from the MDA pilots.
The other people in that room, specifically Rick Spurlock have denied that any back room deals were made and that the conversation that Brookman over heard was about one of the many charts that have been prepared by the merger committee looking at different scenarios. In other words, he heard part of a conversation, didn't see the chart and didn't understand the context of the conversation, but made his conclusions based on only a small part of the story. Instead of making sure his facts are correct by asking those in the room, he sent his notes to MDA pilot Jim Portale so that more legal action can be brought against this MEC.
Anyone that knows Rick Spurlock can attest to his honesty.
When you ask the question why is this union in such a mess, maybe now you can place the blame where it belongs.
Maybe the name for the Pennsylvania Reps should be "The gang that couldn't shoot straight."
Bill Glynn
From: b767pilot@aol.com
To: Pilotaction@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Phillypilot@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:13 PM
Subject: [phillypilot] Re: [pilotaction] US Airways last nationally in baggage handling, complaints
Al Crellin should be fired. We have few of the old management people still here and he is one of them. Just goes to show you just how bad the old management was.
Parker needs to clean house starting at the top of the customer service dung heap. I would suggest we all start e-mailing Parker. Everytime a plane is late leaving a gate or not being loaded or unloaded, an e-mail should go out to him with the details.
They want us to manage, then we should report to the top.
He will either change his e-mail address or pay attention.
Bill Glynn
Fraternally,
Eric Rowe PHL A330
Woody Menear PHL 76i
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Now who's assuming? A new contract giving east pilots (or all pilots) reinstatement rights with the only requirement being that they had to have been displaced at some time in their career - what part of that says that anything they've already regained makes a bit of difference? The contract takes effect, reinstatement rights get handed out. Period. End of sentence. Finito.
Actually I was too but typed hub. The east is flying a lot of the "west" routes and west is flying a lot of "east" routes. If you can conclude that that means a reduction in pilots in PHX you're smarter than the folks in resource planning - they have to use a computer program to figure it out. All I know is that I haven't seen a hub with hundreds of flights/day without a crew base yet. Heck, LAS had fewer flights and they onlly started dismantling the crew base when they started cutting flights.
But again you're looking for compromise. What part of "there is no one to compromise with" don't you understand? "Mitigate" the Nic and get a DFR suit filed (unless the court rules that USAPA doesn't have to use the Nic, but the court better rule on the DFR also or the suit will be filed when the Nic isn't used).
Jim
Have you talked to Ferguson, Koontz, Huummel, Bradford.......any candidates today?
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What a crock. I watched it again just to give you the benefit of the doubt. Most of the 5 minutes of my life that I won't get back was spent laying blame and insulting east pilots. Saying the union has been run by a group from a narrow band of the seniority list? These two are junior no matter what you look at. Only to represent previously furloughed pilots? Really?
But there was a minute talking about what they would do. Poll the pilots and restaff the NAC. Good idea, and Hummel put the same thing out several weeks ago.
So that minute or so of "laying our a plan" is supposed to be the best for my family? Man, I hate to see it if you had it out for us. Sarcasm on.
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....seniority is not broken...? Quick call Judge Silver!!!!
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Is it Judge Silver?
Or Judge Sliver as in the Sliver of hope left that it will turn USAPA's way?
Or Judge Sliver as in the Sliver of hope left that it will turn USAPA's way?
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If you can't recognize the fact that this mess was created by East Pilots then you're a completely lost cause. You're insulted by being blamed? GMAFB. The West pilots have endured atrocity after atrocity at the hands of your buddies. Vote However you like, if you're too stupid to help yourself than what can be done? Those that refuse to acknowledge reality and vote for anyone other that the West Candidates will simply Earn their own misery. Nic. is the only Acceptable, Legal, and Moral seniority list. Period. Nothing else to add. It's over and it's been over. You have what is probably your one last chance to get off of LOA 93. No other Candidates can do it. None. Hummel will be a much more polished failure than Cleary but a failure none the less because he's got his head buried in the sand. There is no reason to even HAVE a NAC until you have a list. The Company knows it, the NMB just voted with their feet, Parking USAPA in effect saying, "call us when you're able to negotiate".
Given the NAC had already made concessions from nearly all sections of the AMW contract, one has to wonder why the NMB is viewing USAPA as a lost cause. The same Reason the IBT isn't interested. Hummel acts like most Easties in that he somehow thinks the US Air pilot group is somehow a highly sought after commodity than ANY union would jump out of their skins to have join their ranks...a kind of Major Prize. The fact is Neither IBT or ALPA is going to touch you with a ten foot pole. CAPA is about to boot USAPA because they're a complete embarrassment and do nothing but undermine their goals. USAPA is a total Pariah...a Leper...the fat chick, whatever. Nobody cares about the pilots of US Airways except the pilots of US Airways. Come to Jesus time. Gut check. Are you willing to Man Up and take some responsibility for the direction of this catastrophic abortion, or do you want 3 more years of the same?
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Here's a little refresher regarding USAPA's chances in Court.
February 20, 2012
Leonidas Update
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This will be a busy week. The responses to the Declaratory Judgment are due February 21, and the USAPA election ends February 23.
DJ filings:
Our attorneys have little to say in response to the company filings, USAPA’s filings are another matter. USAPA continues to argue the wrong case. They argue ALPA merger policy is defective, Nicolau is not fair, that longevity was not considered, that Captain Brucia dissented, that US Airways was the surviving company, and that Mike Cleary made an honest effort to mediate but was rebuffed by those mean Westies. We have invested many hours with our attorneys gathering evidence to refute and correct their claims. Although USAPA’s arguments are immaterial to the questions before the court we could not let their false assertions stand unopposed. The responses will be posted on cactuspilot.com as soon as they are available on the 21st.
Judge Silver will then review the filings, perhaps request oral arguments and rule. We hope that her ruling will come in April, but it could be many months. We remain optimistic which means USAPA will likely appeal to the 9th. Delay while the airline industry consolidates. Our position in any merger is greatly weakened by our bankruptcy era contracts; remember unmerged career expectations will way heavily in future mergers.
This legal work is very expensive, thank you for your continued support; we cannot afford to let up.
USAPA Elections:
There appears to be a belief by some that Leonidas, LLC is providing financial support to the candidates in this election. Contrary to these assertions, Leonidas, LLC has not provided and will not provide any financial support to the candidates. The candidates are paying expenses out of their own pockets and appreciate your campaign donations.
Leonidas remains committed to defending the seniority of all West Pilots.
February 20, 2012
Leonidas Update
Inset Image - Optional
This will be a busy week. The responses to the Declaratory Judgment are due February 21, and the USAPA election ends February 23.
DJ filings:
Our attorneys have little to say in response to the company filings, USAPA’s filings are another matter. USAPA continues to argue the wrong case. They argue ALPA merger policy is defective, Nicolau is not fair, that longevity was not considered, that Captain Brucia dissented, that US Airways was the surviving company, and that Mike Cleary made an honest effort to mediate but was rebuffed by those mean Westies. We have invested many hours with our attorneys gathering evidence to refute and correct their claims. Although USAPA’s arguments are immaterial to the questions before the court we could not let their false assertions stand unopposed. The responses will be posted on cactuspilot.com as soon as they are available on the 21st.
Judge Silver will then review the filings, perhaps request oral arguments and rule. We hope that her ruling will come in April, but it could be many months. We remain optimistic which means USAPA will likely appeal to the 9th. Delay while the airline industry consolidates. Our position in any merger is greatly weakened by our bankruptcy era contracts; remember unmerged career expectations will way heavily in future mergers.
This legal work is very expensive, thank you for your continued support; we cannot afford to let up.
USAPA Elections:
There appears to be a belief by some that Leonidas, LLC is providing financial support to the candidates in this election. Contrary to these assertions, Leonidas, LLC has not provided and will not provide any financial support to the candidates. The candidates are paying expenses out of their own pockets and appreciate your campaign donations.
Leonidas remains committed to defending the seniority of all West Pilots.
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Gary, that was a really long-winded spiel, but what about section 22? We call that the "elephant in the room"!
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