US Pilots Labor Discussion

[BoeingBoy]

I imagine most west pilots wanted to save Dave knowing if he was saved they all were.

That "all" makes the difference - none of the "I'm on board, pull up the ladder" on the west side. Compare that to not caring about MDA pilots and even voting to sell their planes out from under them...until the award came out - then it was big bad ALPA that did MDA wrong, not the US pilots.

At least it funny seeing all the arguments the MDA guys were making in 2005 only to have them fall on deaf ears now show up in the posts of those that didn't give squat about them in 2005/2006 and part of 2007...

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

That "all" makes the difference - none of the "I'm on board, pull up the ladder" on the west side. Compare that to not caring about MDA pilots and even voting to sell their planes out from under them...until the award came out - then it was big bad ALPA that did MDA wrong, not the US pilots.

At least it funny seeing all the arguments the MDA guys were making in 2005 only to have them fall on deaf ears now show up in the posts of those that didn't give squat about them in 2005/2006 and part of 2007...

Jim

I agree about the MDA thing. Some was intentional, some just didn't know what was going on with it. But, every pilot group I ever been around was made up of about the same percentages of types, with self-serving being a big component.

 

[BoeingBoy]

But, every pilot group I ever been around was made up of about the same percentages of types, with self-serving being a big component.

One would think you'd been hired by US instead of PI...

Jim

 

[mrbreeze]

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breeze

 

[767one]

This is the epitome of east logic and rationalization. Can you guys not take responsibility for your actions or are you just too ashamed to admit the plain and simple facts? The scary thing is that I'm starting to think you actually believe you didn't vote for USAPA by voting for USAPA or that you don't think that breaching a contractual agreement is the same thing as breaching a contractual agreement.

More east logic:
I didn't shoot a hole in the fuselage, I was exercising my 2nd amendment rights.

I didn't cut off a hotel security guards finger, I was giving him a manicure.

I didn't intentionally disrupt airline operations, I was searching for my pair of pink panties

The LOA93 grievance wasn't lost, we are getting bigger profit sharing checks

I did not want alpa so I voted for usapa. Those were the 2 choices and I was willing to give usapa a chance. Thanks for the entertaining reply, the scary thing is I think you actually believe what you write.

 

[767one]

That's as it should be. It's disappointing that apparently not all feel or act as you. I thought the days where there were some that thought that new hires should sit on their hands, don't do anything unless told, and shut up were long gone.

Jim

Jin,

I spent almost 5 years as the last pilot on the seniority list so sad to say I got plenty of practice sitting on my hands or trying to figure out what certain captains wanted from me. I guess it made a lasting impression.



Bob

 

[traderjake]

I spent almost 5 years as the last pilot on the seniority list ..................................

Bob

Were you any more senior at year five than year one?

 

[Metroyet]

I did not want alpa so I voted for usapa. Those were the 2 choices and I was willing to give usapa a chance. Thanks for the entertaining reply, the scary thing is I think you actually believe what you write.

you voted for a second bite at the apple. You voted to strip the rights of a minority group. You voted to steal what never belonged to you. You're no different than a scab.

 

[Pi brat]

One would think you'd been hired by US instead of PI...

Jim

You've got some selective memory going on today. PI was a great airline and there were a lot of great pilots, but there was no shortage of self-serving aholes there either. Was Empire slotted by equipment? I was never asked about my opinion on seniority going into the US merger. And after the US/PI merger I was extremely embarrassed by the behavior of some of the PI pilots that seemed to want US to go out of business.

US and PI had different corporate cultures, but I've flown with as many US/PS pilots as I have PI and I've found the makeup to be the same. Same 5-10% aholes, and what I've seem of west pilots it's running about the same over there. Just different life experiences.

 

[Zone5]

I don't think it's smart to screw up while on probation, but obviously some consider having a different opinion than theirs constitutes "screwing up." To me it's a scummy person that would attempt to or actually punish another pilot for merely having a different opinion. I can see how all the easties claim that "everyone I fly with agrees with me" - the question is how many of the people they fly with are fearful of repercussions from voicing their opinion...

Jim

All you have to do is count the votes in the last election to see how many "easties" agree with whom. No fear of "repercussions" in the cyber voting booth!


seajay

 

[traderjake]

And after the US/PI merger I was extremely embarrassed by the behavior of some of the PI pilots that seemed to want US to go out of business.

I'm extremely embarrassed by the PI pilots who flipped their position on DOH after the America West merger.

I'm not saying you're one of them.

 

[Zone5]

Do we even have third listers, and if so, why were the West pilots who took recall east not placed in front of them on the expanded east list?

Good question. Where are the West pilots who took recall east placed? They should be by DOH anywhere on the East they could hold, in my opinion.

If I were in charge ANYONE on the West would be able to bid East on any bid based on their DOH, screw section 22, just change the manner for filling vacancies section of the contract and people can either take it or leave it. Throw in a fence for West flying to keep the "East want's our jobs crowd" happy and it's a done deal. Deal?


seajay

 

[CallawayGolf]

I did not vote for usapa

so I voted for usapa.

So which is it? Did you not vote for USAPA or did you vote for USAPA? You said two contradictory things in the span of a few hours. Senior moment I guess.

 

[nycbusdriver]

With this MDA thing a sure winner (according to breeze), I'm wondering why USAPA hasn't thrown its support behind those easties involved in the case.

Where is the backing? You'd think that if this would kill off the Nic that every single eastie would be beating his MDA drum.

But they haven't. Not even getting too much support on this board.

I'm thinking breeze is too ensconced in his MDA fantasy that he's let go of reality completely.

Poor pathetic breeze.

Even if it is a winner, I don't think the MDA lawsuit will have any benefit beyond the MDA pilots. I believe they are suing ALPA for DFR. The suit does not seek any change in the Nicolau award. If the MDA pilots succeed, ALPA will likely have to make them whole financially (whatever that may look like.) Will that have any effect at all on what's going on with Section 22, Judge Silver, Addington, 9th Circuit? Who knows? Probably not, in my opinion.

 

[BoeingBoy]

You've got some selective memory going on today. PI was a great airline and there were a lot of great pilots, but there was no shortage of self-serving aholes there either.

Perhaps with your change of heart on DOH you've also developed rationalization memory. I guess every pilot group in the history of the industry has changed unions in an attempt to get out of an arbitrator's award (oops, the PI pilots didn't), brought trumped up RICO charges against those who vocalize a different opinion (oops, PI pilots didn't), used the bottom pilots on the list as an excuse for their actions (oops, PI pilots didn't), went years fighting the award (oops, PI pilots didn't)...or should I say real PI pilots since you remember it differently...

As your pal Nosumap used to say, "I rest my case."

Jim