US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

USAPA lost? USAPA couldn't find anyone to agree with their interpretation of the law and signed agreements? I'm shocked to the very core of my being. Surely this setback is an anomaly on an otherwise very successful union that generates more wins in the courtroom and in arbitrators' decisions than it loses right? Shocking! Just Shocking!

I guess its a good thing USAPA leaders get FPL rather than having their wages based on the number of financial successes they are able to deliver to their constituents. Performance based or at-risk pay might change USAPA's whole perspective on going to court or asking for an arbitration. How much did this loss cost?

You of all people should know a life motivated by hate is a miserable one.

 

[Move2CLT]

You of all people should know a life motivated by hate is a miserable one.

Said the eastie.

Practice before you start preaching.

 

[traderjake]

You of all people should know a life motivated by hate is a miserable one.

Talk a walk down the concourse in CLT and tell us which pilots look miserable.

 

[Zone5]

"An Executive Session was held in the Philadelphia area with Arbitrator Kasher on March 6, 2012, regarding his draft findings and opinion on grievance BPR 09-06-02 (Pay Rates). In attendance at this meeting were two System Board members for the Company, two System Board members for the Union, and Arbitrator Kasher.

As previously disclosed to USAPA members, the draft opinion from Arbitrator Kasher delivered in November was not favorable to the Union's argued position on the restoration of Pay Rates due on January 1, 2010.

During this Executive Session, the System Board members for the Union raised several concerns regarding specifics within the draft opinion as written. Some of the issues were obvious, minor errors and corrected with little resistance from the Company members, while other issues brought forth a contentious debate between the Board members. Some of the more vehemently argued issues were taken under advisement by the Arbitrator.

One of the issues on which the Union System Board members sought clarification was that of the 3 percent raises due each May 1 beyond the amendable date of our contract. This original language can be found in the Restructuring Agreement of 2002 and was unmodified in both LOA 84 and LOA 93. It became clear that Arbitrator Kasher did not consider this issue in his existing draft opinion because he believed this question was not before this Board even though both the Union and Company believed it to be stipulated to in the original grievance testified to by both parties at the arbitration and argued by both parties in their briefs.

Arbitrator Kasher agreed to accept limited supplemental briefs on the subject of the 3 percent raises due each May 1 beyond the amendable date of our contract using the existing record. These briefs are to be filed with the Arbitrator by both the Company and the Union on an agreed upon date before the end of this month. We would then anticipate a draft opinion and findings from the Arbitrator on this specific issue. All parties are aware of the extended time it has taken to reach a resolution on this dispute. We will work diligently and expeditiously to bring this grievance to a proper resolution."

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IT'S ALIVE!!!

Much like US Airways, the reports of the demise of USAPA grievance BPR 09-06-02 (Pay Rates), may turn out to be premature!


seajay

 

[traderjake]

No I don't agree that los and doh have nothing to do with seniority. I will say that if you have very little los and a recent doh you are junior on your senority list.

Then tell us how much did your seniority increase while you were the bottom pilot for 5 years?

 

[Move2CLT]

"An Executive Session was held in the Philadelphia area with Arbitrator Kasher on March 6, 2012, regarding his draft findings and opinion on grievance BPR 09-06-02 (Pay Rates). In attendance at this meeting were two System Board members for the Company, two System Board members for the Union, and Arbitrator Kasher.

As previously disclosed to USAPA members, the draft opinion from Arbitrator Kasher delivered in November was not favorable to the Union's argued position on the restoration of Pay Rates due on January 1, 2010.

During this Executive Session, the System Board members for the Union raised several concerns regarding specifics within the draft opinion as written. Some of the issues were obvious, minor errors and corrected with little resistance from the Company members, while other issues brought forth a contentious debate between the Board members. Some of the more vehemently argued issues were taken under advisement by the Arbitrator.

One of the issues on which the Union System Board members sought clarification was that of the 3 percent raises due each May 1 beyond the amendable date of our contract. This original language can be found in the Restructuring Agreement of 2002 and was unmodified in both LOA 84 and LOA 93. It became clear that Arbitrator Kasher did not consider this issue in his existing draft opinion because he believed this question was not before this Board even though both the Union and Company believed it to be stipulated to in the original grievance testified to by both parties at the arbitration and argued by both parties in their briefs.

Arbitrator Kasher agreed to accept limited supplemental briefs on the subject of the 3 percent raises due each May 1 beyond the amendable date of our contract using the existing record. These briefs are to be filed with the Arbitrator by both the Company and the Union on an agreed upon date before the end of this month. We would then anticipate a draft opinion and findings from the Arbitrator on this specific issue. All parties are aware of the extended time it has taken to reach a resolution on this dispute. We will work diligently and expeditiously to bring this grievance to a proper resolution."

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IT'S ALIVE!!!

Much like US Airways, the reports of the demise of USAPA grievance BPR 09-06-02 (Pay Rates), may turn out to be premature!


seajay

I love watching you guys get your hopes up only to see them crushed at every turn.

Best entertainment out there.

 

[767one]

Fergusons email is indisputablely bullet proof. A third grader could figure out what is going to happen if Hummel gets elected...nothing. If your only goal for the rest of your career is to make sure you never get an improved contract, fine. Just have the balls to be honest about your motives because I now refuse to believe that the average East pilot is too stupid to see how Hummel will fail at every turn.

If its all about the delay, just admit it.

Delay has very little to do with whether we get a contract or not. We are a split group and if sweet baby Jesus came down from heaven to negotiate for us we still won't get an industry standard contract in this decade. I would venture to say that Ferguson/Koontz have somewhat less of a chance of getting a contract.

 

[767one]

I love watching you guys get your hopes up only to see them crushed at every turn.

Best entertainment out there.

Do you think an east pilot is likely to be really upset by this announcement? It's just another day! And it's just a job, nothing to get all that upset about.

 

[Pi brat]

Absolutely, although the first I heard about how they would be integrated was when Gene announced it. In case you need your memory refreshed, that was a company decision - the pilots had nothing to do with it. Same with US/PI. Same with US/Shuttle. Same with US/HP. How about you....

Jim

How about me what? You want to explain my position on DOH? And do you think Gene talked to ALPA about merging Empire? Did you stand on you soapbox like you do here about how unfair it was? When I heard SW pilots justifying it's position on AirTran by saying "look how many had applications in with SW" it was a little deja vu.

 

[Pi brat]

Wow hair Pi, sounds like you're having a bad week.

Nope, quite the opposite. Just sick of Jim's b.s.

 

[Move2CLT]

Nope, quite the opposite. Just sick of Jim's b.s.

How about the MDA thing? Another crushing blow, right?

 

[Move2CLT]

Do you think an east pilot is likely to be really upset by this announcement? It's just another day! And it's just a job, nothing to get all that upset about.

Please. When LOA 93 came out, our reps were in the office when TP announced it. He said the looks on their faces were so pathetic that he felt sorry for all the east guys in the room.

And look at how excited Zone5 is with that little 3% straw the union gave him to grasp. You don't thin he'll be ll sad when Kasher throws this out as well?

So yes, I do think most of you easties get upset.

 

[KTM300]

Absolutely, although the first I heard about how they would be integrated was when Gene announced it. In case you need your memory refreshed, that was a company decision - the pilots had nothing to do with it. Same with US/PI. Same with US/Shuttle. Same with US/HP. How about you....

Jim

Jim,

You are completely wrong! Gene had gone to Utica to meet the Empire Pilots and told them that they were going to get their Date of Hire on the Piedmont seniority list, but that the company had alot of money invested in EMPIRE, the SYR hub, etc.. and so everyone was going to be frozen in position, until such time that the company would determine. It wasn't long after that that Gordan Bethune went to Utica and told the Empire Pilots, he understood that Gene told them that they were going to get their DOH on the Piemont Seniority list, but it wasn't that easy. He went on to say that the pilots that fly for Piedmont are represented by the Piedmont Air Line Pilot Association and that everything would have to be negotiated with Piedmont ALPA.

Now, do you really want to hear the truth with the rest of the story...and believe me, my memory doesn't need to be refreshed

 

[Keroseneuser]

So yes, I do think most of you easties get upset.

Wow, if everybody is all upset about it you would think the subject would come up out on the line or in crew rooms a bunch. It does not.

I think you would pass out if you knew how little the average east guy thinks about such stuff. Guess its the 4 or more previous mergers that the easties have been through that taught us not to sweat it. However with the sheer volume of posts you make it does seem that you get quite upset about all this. Maybe you should try decaf? 🙂

 

[Move2CLT]

Wow, if everybody is all upset about it you would think the subject would come up out on the line or in crew rooms a bunch. It does not.

I think you would pass out if you knew how little the average east guy thinks about such stuff. Guess its the 4 or more previous mergers that the easties have been through that taught us not to sweat it. However with the sheer volume of posts you make it does seem that you get quite upset about all this. Maybe you should try decaf? 🙂

Not sweating it? LMAO!

You guys were jumping up and down how you were going to win LOA93. Breeze is throwing a stone with his MDA game changer dream.

You guys talk about it at the bar on your RONs and I laugh listening to your wishful thinking.

Go to the cactuspilot forum and look back at all the "just you wait" posts from the easties that post there.

And seeing you guys in PHL and CLT with your scowls and your perpetual looking at my shoes walk proves just how much all this is eating away at you.

And I couldn't be more entertained.