US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Code Name V]

Still working under LOA 93 and nothing to show for it , you're a real genius.

And as long as we continue to have traitors like you around who do not understand mutual support and do more damage than good, it will continue to be so. You are disgrace to the people that are forced to fly with you and should do us all a favor and depart the fix for good. We will all be better off when you join BB and become impotent....loser.

V

 

[Phoenix]

Yea genius, and who brought us LOA 93, might it have been ALPAAAA!!!

No, it was brought to us by those who are always willing to wear a skirt now in order to live another day while feigning blustery words of fighting sometime tomorrow (though their fight has been and always will be with the junior guys that won't play along with the empty promise of "Don't worry, Bro, you will be senior some day!"). They are the same folks that kept chopping off the bottom 49% to eek out a few crumbs as they hoped to cross the finish line of retirement with a few more "good" years. They are now the same ones who are moaning that USAPA has upset their applecart, preventing them in their last years of dolloping off a couple more selfish scoops of cream for themselves right before they clock in for their last day. They are still fighting unionism.....

... and they are geniuses, right up their with Lance and the "let my daddy vote" crowd. (Would the No voters have used their own kids as a manipulation in a campaign?)

Thankfully they are now in the minority, though they have no less passion.

 

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Your PHX out and backs is all you had and have. You at best, distort the truth. All you brought was PHX and a drunk CEO.

Linked facts click here.

Distort the truth? Me? Right!!!! Those are the numbers. Prove me wrong don't just accuse.

What did the east bring? 1700 furloughs. Shrinking commuter airline. The worst contract in the industry. An airline in BK with no plan for recovery. Arguably one of the worst safety records in the airline business. Would you like to compare management?

Let's not forget. Dishonest employees with the worst attitude and reputation in the business. As shown on here everyday.

 

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No, it was brought to us by those who are always willing to wear a skirt now in order to live another day while feigning blustery words of fighting sometime tomorrow (though their fight has been and always will be with the junior guys that won't play along with the empty promise of "Don't worry, Bro, you will be senior some day!"). They are the same folks that kept chopping off the bottom 49% to eek out a few crumbs as they hoped to cross the finish line of retirement with a few more "good" years. They are now the same ones who are moaning that USAPA has upset their applecart, preventing them in their last years of dolloping off a couple more selfish scoops of cream for themselves right before they clock in for their last day. They are still fighting unionism.....

... and they are geniuses, right up their with Lance and the "let my daddy vote" crowd. (Would the No voters have used their own kids as a manipulation in a campaign?)

Thankfully they are now in the minority, though they have no less passion.

"Don't worry, Bro, you will be senior some day!").

Hypocrite!!!! That is exactly what you guys are telling the west pilots. If you just wait 10 years it will be your turn and you west guys can have what is left. Let the east make up for poor careers now.

Looks like usapa is going to follow right in those same footsteps. You did see the usapa changed the vacation distribution right? The senior pilot gets everything he wants. then the second guy ect. Leaving nothing for the junior guy. You guys think you are so smart. Until the Nicolau is put in place. That is not going to look so good for you then right?

Oh well more screaming from the east about fairness. You guys do this to yourselves.

 

[N924PS]

And as long as we continue to have traitors like you around who do not understand mutual support and do more damage than good, it will continue to be so.

Mutual support is only effective when you believe in the issue. Some of us believe that the game ended fairly with the release of the Nicolau Award and its acceptance by the company. Some of us never believed $eham's "new union no Nic" tactic would ever work.

So far it hasn't. At the end of the day, millions of dollars will have been spent, on both sides, and the Nic Award will be the final solution.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

That's 4% MORE than voted to replace ALPA with USAPA. Hardly a resounding mandate for change. 3 years later and nothing but failure to show for it, I'd bet a dollar that USAPA would lose that vote today by a large margin.

Well there is always the card drive, so you wouldn't have to part with a dollar! MM!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Mutual support is only effective when you believe in the issue. Some of us believe that the game ended fairly with the release of the Nicolau Award and its acceptance by the company. Some of us never believed $eham's "new union no Nic" tactic would ever work.

So far it hasn't. At the end of the day, millions of dollars will have been spent, on both sides, and the Nic Award will be the final solution.

Some of us don't believe anything you do, At the end of the day, millions will be spent and you will still continue to wish you could only commute to PHX and be number 1 there till you retire! MM!

 

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And as long as we continue to have traitors like you around who do not understand mutual support and do more damage than good, it will continue to be so. You are disgrace to the people that are forced to fly with you and should do us all a favor and depart the fix for good. We will all be better off when you join BB and become impotent....loser.

V

Typical east behavior. If someone does not agree with you call them names.

Nicolau
Wake
The west
Pilots from other airlines
Employees from other labor groups
Now east pilots.

Usually ideas carry the day. With you guys it is intimidation and name calling. I bet your crew room is a lot of fun.

Believe in usapa or suffer the wrath of the AFO's

 

[Code Name V]

Mutual support is only effective when you believe in the issue. Some of us believe that the game ended fairly with the release of the Nicolau Award and its acceptance by the company. Some of us never believed $eham's "new union no Nic" tactic would ever work.

So far it hasn't. At the end of the day, millions of dollars will have been spent, on both sides, and the Nic Award will be the final solution.

No, mutual support is when you stand shoulder to shoulder with your comrades in arms. Often times you fight a war you don't even agree with. Regardless, you don't let your compatriots down when they need you. They may also be fighting a war they don't agree with but they will fight to the death as it their duty to defend one another. If you don't like the war, you don't let others fight for you. It is never up to us individually to decide what fronts we are to defend. Politicians decide that. You are either with us or against us. If against us, I suggest you go hide out in Canada until the war is over, then maybe you can get amnesty and return. Until then, either fight with us or get out.

V

 

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[Phoenix]

"Don't worry, Bro, you will be senior some day!").

Hypocrite!!!! That is exactly what you guys are telling the west pilots. ...

ALPAphiles traded almost 3,000 junior jobs, paycuts, lost medical, lost sick time, the pension, and the Jets4Jobs lie to keep their Lexus. If you can't see the difference yet then you should study a little harder before you raise your hand in class.

 

[cleardirect]

No, mutual support is when you stand shoulder to shoulder with your comrades in arms. Often times you fight a war you don't even agree with. Regardless, you don't let your compatriots down when they need you. They may also be fighting a war they don't agree with but they will fight to the death as it their duty to defend one another. If you don't like the war, you don't let others fight for you. It is never up to us individually to decide what fronts we are to defend. Politicians decide that. You are either with us or against us. If against us, I suggest you go hide out in Canada until the war is over, then maybe you can get amnesty and return. Until then, either fight with us or get out.

V

I guess individual thought is discouraged on the east.

This explains why you guys are in the situation that you are in. 17 years furloughs. 21 year reserve F/O, worst contract in the industry. Because you blindly followed whatever leader told you to throw yourself into the breach. If some of you had stood up at some point and said NO! I am not following you down the path of disaster maybe your would not have the worst carrers in the industry. Maybe you would not have stood on DOH/LOS after the arbitrator told you, you were not getting what you wanted. But you guys fought the war because you told your fellow pilots stand with me or leave.

I just shake my head at the stupidity of the east mentality.

 

[nic4us]

No, mutual support is when you stand shoulder to shoulder with your comrades in arms. Often times you fight a war you don't even agree with. Regardless, you don't let your compatriots down when they need you. They may also be fighting a war they don't agree with but they will fight to the death as it their duty to defend one another. If you don't like the war, you don't let others fight for you. It is never up to us individually to decide what fronts we are to defend. Politicians decide that. You are either with us or against us. If against us, I suggest you go hide out in Canada until the war is over, then maybe you can get amnesty and return. Until then, either fight with us or get out.

V

Sorry pal,

Sometimes, "I was just following orders" does not cut it.

 

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ALPAphiles traded almost 3,000 junior jobs, paycuts, lost medical, lost sick time, the pension, and the Jets4Jobs lie to keep their Lexus. If you can't see the difference yet then you should study a little harder before you raise your hand in class.

usapa and the AFO trading the west career to improve the junior east pilots.

Trading the west contract, sick time, scheduling, medical costs all for your seniority.

What's the difference? You guys are telling us to wait our turn, that we will be senior someday. Exactly what you were complaining about.

Open your eyes and see your hypocrisy.

 

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No, mutual support is when you stand shoulder to shoulder with your comrades in arms. Often times you fight a war you don't even agree with. Regardless, you don't let your compatriots down when they need you. They may also be fighting a war they don't agree with but they will fight to the death as it their duty to defend one another. If you don't like the war, you don't let others fight for you. It is never up to us individually to decide what fronts we are to defend. Politicians decide that. You are either with us or against us. If against us, I suggest you go hide out in Canada until the war is over, then maybe you can get amnesty and return. Until then, either fight with us or get out.

V

Why does this sound familiar?

Oh yeah, after the Allies rolled into Germany and started picking up solders. “I was just doing my job” “I was supporting my leader” I was supporting my country” “I was just following orders”

The longer this goes the more pathetic the east becomes trying to justify your actions.