US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nevergiveup]

With rumors swirling US Airways has presented its AA merger plan to AMR's UCC, US Airways apparently leaking to the WSJ AMR M&A revenue and non union cost merger synergies could be $1.5 billion per year, and US Airways' senior management reportedly having met with APA's Board and AA's other unions...a merger announcement may be on the immediate horizon.

Rumors are being leaked that US Airways has reached an agreement on a pilot CBA with APA, which could be the DAL contract plus 3%, AA's DB Plan frozen, greater productivity, and the basis for a DL-NW pilot SLI.

Click here to look at DL pilot pay rates.

In my opinion, with AOL attorney Andy Jacobs already having met with APA, the AA-US SLI could be the Nicolau Award as the US starting point after Judge Silver rules, a 7-year fence, widebody C&Rs, and a ratio integration similar to DL-NW.

USA320Pilot

DC-10s coming out of the desert to be flown as Metrojet!

 

[Claxon]

With rumors swirling US Airways has presented its AA merger plan to AMR's UCC, US Airways apparently leaking to the WSJ AMR M&A revenue and non union cost merger synergies could be $1.5 billion per year, and US Airways' senior management reportedly having met with APA's Board and AA's other unions...a merger announcement may be on the immediate horizon.

Rumors are being leaked that US Airways has reached an agreement on a pilot CBA with APA, which could be the DAL contract plus 3%, AA's DB Plan frozen, greater productivity, and the basis for a DL-NW pilot SLI.

Click here to look at DL pilot pay rates.

In my opinion, with AOL attorney Andy Jacobs already having met with APA, the AA-US SLI could be the Nicolau Award as the US starting point after Judge Silver rules, a 7-year fence, widebody C&Rs, and a ratio integration similar to DL-NW.

USA320Pilot

Now we know it really won't happen if you say it is so. You have the record of most incorrect predictions followed closely by Kohler.

 

[Move2CLT]

With rumors swirling US Airways has presented its AA merger plan to AMR's UCC, US Airways apparently leaking to the WSJ AMR M&A revenue and non union cost merger synergies could be $1.5 billion per year, and US Airways' senior management reportedly having met with APA's Board and AA's other unions...a merger announcement may be on the immediate horizon.

Rumors are being leaked that US Airways has reached an agreement on a pilot CBA with APA, which could be the DAL contract plus 3%, AA's DB Plan frozen, greater productivity, and the basis for a DL-NW pilot SLI.

Click here to look at DL pilot pay rates.

In my opinion, with AOL attorney Andy Jacobs already having met with APA, the AA-US SLI could be the Nicolau Award as the US starting point after Judge Silver rules, a 7-year fence, widebody C&Rs, and a ratio integration similar to DL-NW.

USA320Pilot

As I was saying...

 

[cleardirect]

Ames,

You're right that I don't know all the details about the Airtran SLI with SWA. My point was that they didn't get stapled which was the proposal to the Frontier pilots. That whole statement was in response to another post that someone threw out about Frontier and SWA....it had nothing to do with the topic and I gave it little thought with the response.

My whole point about trader's claiming that the "4 arbritrtions" is the new world order was that of those 4, only 2 are past the SLI and are a functioning unit.

Also, we are the only group where the arbitrator let junior pilots leap frog by 15 yrs.....thus untested waters....and legal challenges.

I asked him to stop throwing out the praises of the success of the "4 arbritrations". He didn't like my analysis and started the name calling.

breeze

So you are now qualifying your statement. So 2 of 4 are past the sli stage. But all of them are used slotting not DOH.

How many pilot integrations have gone DOH in the last 20 years? 50%

 

[Move2CLT]

Ames,

You're right that I don't know all the details about the Airtran SLI with SWA. My point was that they didn't get stapled which was the proposal to the Frontier pilots. That whole statement was in response to another post that someone threw out about Frontier and SWA....it had nothing to do with the topic and I gave it little thought with the response.

My whole point about trader's claiming that the "4 arbritrtions" is the new world order was that of those 4, only 2 are past the SLI and are a functioning unit.

Also, we are the only group where the arbitrator let junior pilots leap frog by 15 yrs.....thus untested waters....and legal challenges.

I asked him to stop throwing out the praises of the success of the "4 arbritrations". He didn't like my analysis and started the name calling.

breeze

15 year guy at the bottom of your list before the Nic and 15 year guy at bottom of your list after the Nic.

Sounds fair to everyone but you.

Get over it. The next one will go the same way.

 

[Move2CLT]

Now we know it really won't happen if you say it is so. You have the record of most incorrect predictions followed closely by Kohler.

If Claxon spoke in the woods and no one was there to listen, would he start to make sense?

Hmmmmmmm.

 

[Move2CLT]

USAPA President's Message: April 17, 2012

Fellow Pilots,

... unprecedented mission: to finally represent US Airways pilots across the full spectrum of the seniority list and to be more aggressive in defending all of our pilots' rights.

Captain Mike Cleary
President

Aggressively defending our pilots' rights by having an injunction slapped on us and getting parked.

Nice work Mike. You're an idiot.

 

[Metroyet]

From Cleary's final letter:

"Don't allow the naysayers to convince you that standing up for yourselves against long odds is a concept you should abandon."

Is Cleary admitting that the odds don't favor USAPA achieving it's goal of a DOH seniority list?

Why didn't he sign it,

"yours in complete failure, Mike" or more succinctly,

Fratracidally Yours, Mikey.

 

[BoeingBoy]

My whole point about trader's claiming that the "4 arbritrtions" is the new world order was that of those 4, only 2 are past the SLI and are a functioning unit.

So the last 4 arbitrations did go relative position by equipment, but you now claim that you meant that in 2 of the cases the two pilot groups haven't been integrated yet? Backpedal much???

Jim

 

[jetjok1]

HA!! How Eastie of you... One would think that the most super duper experienced, UltraMax Hyper SENIOR pilot groups in the Steven Hawking Omniverse would actually know how bidding works.

You guys should have thrown a two year old hissy fit and demanded your do over based on the fact you didn't understand the rules....like having a standing bid on file.

It's always something with you guys. You take responsibility for nothing, and blame is always the first order of business. No wonder you haven't advanced out of the 80's. I welcome the APA steamroll that is being set up behind the scenes. It's going to happen in one fell swoop. So fast it'll make your Tom Sellack moustaches flutter in the backdraft. When Judge Silver informs the company they're liable if they touch the award, the ball gets passed to APA and game over for you idiots.

Dang,....I wish I could grow a moustache like Tom Selleck.. 😀 😀 😀

 

[jetjok1]

We all know this but the real men of genius running "the union" will spend yet more of our money chasing their tails.

Ames,

I have to agree with you on that one. So far, this is not looking good.

 

[mrbreeze]

So the last 4 arbitrations did go relative position by equipment, but you now claim that you meant that in 2 of the cases the two pilot groups haven't been integrated yet? Backpedal much???

Jim

I wasn't back pedaling. That was the point I was trying to make last night and you guys jumped all over the slotting part and I think you never got my point. Maybe I didn't get the point across well enough. I don't think I said anything about the arbritrations being anything other than relative position. Obviously, that's where a lot of the confusion came in. I was trying to point out that even so, they are not all a success. That's all.

breeze

 

[jetjok1]

Aggressively defending our pilots' rights by having an injunction slapped on us and getting parked.

Nice work Mike. You're an idiot.
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Move, probably the only time you and I will agree

 

[Phoenix]

Now we know it really won't happen if you say it is so. You have the record of most incorrect predictions followed closely by Kohler.

Don't be so hard on him.

This is the UTC that he predicted oh so many years ago.

You see, he was right all along, but if he is wrong again then he is just that much further ahead of his time.

 

[Metroyet]

Don't be so hard on him.

This is the UTC that he predicted oh so many years ago.

You see, he was right all along, but if he is wrong again then he is just that much further ahead of his time.

THIS time he's right....dump 100% of your 401k into it...it's a done deal!!

What could go wrong?