US Pilots Labor Discussion

[757OGG]

Wow, this thread hasn't been split?? 4785 and counting.

 

[fodase]

Section 8 of the USAPA C&BL's states the following - and no more.

D. To maintain uniform principles of seniority based on date of hire and the perpetuation thereof, with reasonable conditions and restrictions to preserve each pilot’s un-merged career expectations.

To me, that has never meant a strict DOH list. Read the words carefully, they begin with a DOH foundation, but with considerable latitude to modify and adapt to specific circumstances - despite what the DOH strict constructionists have been promoting these past years. To me it has always meant a way of recognizing and preserving the contribution some have made to company, compared to others who have made less.

More important, the clause is largely irrelevant once we are no longer USAPA, because the C&BL's will no longer exist, and because we will be governed in our next seniority inegration by McKaskill-Bond - not necessarily in that order.

Really? So usapa really didn't mean it when they handed a doh list over to the company?

 

[Move2CLT]

Really? So usapa really didn't mean it when they handed a doh list over to the company?

Exactly.

So Pied, you can take your worthless CBL's and place them somewhere dark.

How you made that post I'll never know. You sound like a damn politician.

 

[Move2CLT]

Section 8 of the USAPA C&BL's states the following - and no more.

D. ....to preserve each pilot’s un-merged career expectations.

Funny how the east never seems to bring up their bankruptcy and impending liquidation with that.

 

[Move2CLT]

What are you babbling on about now?...Other than clearly demonstrating your utter inability to answer seemingly simple questions? No intentional, malevolent, evil, treacherous "change" was made in any attempt to distort anything. What would be even the possible point? The entire presentation was clearly posted previously for all to read! Happy now?...Proceed with your homework then..that is; IF you can actually answer ANY of the questions 😉

Try not to "work yourself too hard" 😉

You altered a message from an AA pilot to further your argument. It quite obvious that you did it.

I want to know why you did so? Is your position that desperate that you've had to resort to that sort of trickery?

 

[Move2CLT]

A period... Wow. Do you have anything better to do
:unsure: :unsure: :unsure:

No.

Mr. Integrity completely altered someone else's information to fit his argument and I want to know why.

http://airlineforums.com/topic/49837-us-pilots-labor-discussion/page__view__findpost__p__893010

 

[luvthe9]

Funny how the east never seems to bring up their bankruptcy and impending liquidation with that.

Funny how the west never brings up their impending liquidation plan which was so close to being implemented, "Project Zanzibar" ring a bell? 😱

 

[luvthe9]

Serious question for all easties, in your opinion is DOH dead?

As much as the NIC is dead, we will all have to start again with 3 airlines. What do you think?

 

[Move2CLT]

Funny how the west never brings up their impending liquidation plan which was so close to being implemented, "Project Zanzibar" ring a bell? 😱

Impending liquidation?

Were we in bankruptcy? No.

Were we close? No.

How long did you bounce around in bankruptcy?

How many times were you in bankruptcy?

Impending? No.

 

[Move2CLT]

As much as the NIC is dead, we will all have to start again with 3 airlines. What do you think?

No. And the APA doesn't think so either.

You've been owned!

 

[fodase]

As much as the NIC is dead, we will all have to start again with 3 airlines. What do you think?

I think DOH is dead, and I think the Nic. will be it. I would like to see an eastie tell me how they conclude that it will be a 3 way. I mean I have looked at this every way I can think of and I haven't seen how anything else can be used. Usapa cannot show up at the table with 2 lists, they must produce one, and there is only one combined list at lcc. I am open to logical theories on how usapa can get around this. Anyway we have some serious progress because DOH which with greatly harm the west is dead and buried.

 

[Phoenix]

In a SLI the individual seniority lists are CERTIFIED by each side as being correct.

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Sure each list is certified by the legal representatives as being correct.

Are you suggesting it would be correct to say the pilots are currently ordered by the USAPA proposal of DOH? Or maybe you mean they are currently ordered by the ALPA proposal? Which scheme would you say is currently "correct"? Not which scheme do you prefer, which is a correct current list? Ha, trick question.

Oh, wait. We have two lists that show status, type, and base and they look like they are correct (It happens to match with my paycheck, my flight history, my FAA currency requirements, and my little mail box where I receive pubs revisions--that mysteriously seem to correctly match what the two lists correctly say.) Correct? Try to get the company to let you have your A330 now and see what happens... eh.

Those my dear Watson are the current seniority lists, true and correct. Now, from those lists, you can argue a million and one ways about how they should be integrated with another list or two. You can write out a new proposal and scream about all the reasons you want to justify your new proposed list, to an arbitrator even, but you can't ask your beloved reps to lie about what the current lists are, because they have a duty to represent you truthfully. 😀

 

[BoeingBoy]

Ahhh...the east faithful are clutching that last straw and using any and all excuses in their attempt to turn it into a life raft.

Sure each list is certified by the legal representatives as being correct.

And there is only one certified list possible that contains all US pilots - the Nic plus new hires. You have tried everything you can think of to prove that the Nic isn't the correct list - ALPA presented an incorrect east list, Nic was senile, the judges are crooked, etc. All to no avail. Even your hail mary - the MDA suit that was going to expose all the ALPA tricks and fraud - was a flop. Summarily dismissed, didn't even make it to trial.

but you can't ask your beloved reps to lie about what the current lists are, because they have a duty to represent you truthfully.

And the truthful answer to "Which list is the certified list for all US pilots" would be? (hint: starts with N, ends in c, with an i in the middle)

Jim

 

[mrbreeze]

Ahhh...the east faithful are clutching that last straw and using any and all excuses in their attempt to turn it into a life raft.



And there is only one certified list possible that contains all US pilots - the Nic plus new hires. You have tried everything you can think of to prove that the Nic isn't the correct list - ALPA presented an incorrect east list, Nic was senile, the judges are crooked, etc. All to no avail. Even your hail mary - the MDA suit that was going to expose all the ALPA tricks and fraud - was a flop. Summarily dismissed, didn't even make it to trial.



And the truthful answer to "Which list is the certified list for all US pilots" would be? (hint: starts with N, ends in c, with an i in the middle)

Jim

Sorry Jim,

But you may be wrong on this....after all, the NIC was presented to the company, however, by the time the DOH list was presented, Parker could see the legal storm on the horizon and called time out. Just because you want to screw your old coworkers so badly you just can't freakin stand it, isn't going to make it so.

The legal matter of the NIC versus the DOH has never been answered, along with the TA not being complete, so we are still working under two seperate lists and seperate contracts.

Unless Silver rules before a merger, throw your tantrum all you want....it still doesn't make it true.

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

You altered a message from an AA pilot to further your argument. It quite obvious that you did it.

I want to know why you did so? Is your position that desperate that you've had to resort to that sort of trickery?

IMHO Move,

You've gone a little overboard with this. I think everyone understood the message and probably had already read the whole message.

breeze