US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Hate2fly]

clear,

As of the end of year 2021 the west will have retired 507 and the east will have retired 2050.

Hate

By the end of 2025 the west will retire 818 and the east will have retired 2820.

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[Freighterguynow]

1/3 are F/o's , maybe on the WIDEBODY HIGH DOLLAR F/O RATES

24 widebody F/O vacancies - 15 announced for International expansion in CLT = 9 net openings.

12 F/O's left the line - 9 widebody jobs opened - 9 narrow body pilots will move up - 9 newhires join the list.

Seems to have value to me.

 

[cleardirect]

I saw that and I would expect that number to climb rapidly with every future bid. The attrition train will be leaving the station very soon.

Hate

Good! The sooner all of you messed loser east pilot leave the sooner the west can get to fixing the disaster that you have created.

Good riddance!!!!

All aboard boys take as many as you can with you. Remember though. You guys have told us that majority rules. I sure will feel sorry for the the east pilots that are left that will have to deal with the wrath of the west extracting our revenge. You young junior boys get comfortable. You are where you are for the rest of your career. We will make sure of that fact. Wave to your guys as your majority leaves you behind.

Ba Bye!

 

[Freighterguynow]

It'll be 2019 until enough East pilots leave to get to a 50/50 mix ( and I was too lazy to look up West retirements so I assumed zero leave ).

 

[AvgJoe]

Good! The sooner all of you messed loser east pilot leave the sooner the west can get to fixing the disaster that you have created.

Good riddance!!!!

All aboard boys take as many as you can with you. Remember though. You guys have told us that majority rules. I sure will feel sorry for the the east pilots that are left that will have to deal with the wrath of the west extracting our revenge. You young junior boys get comfortable. You are where you are for the rest of your career. We will make sure of that fact. Wave to your guys as your majority leaves you behind.

Ba Bye!

All that post needed was maniacal laughter and organ music in the background.

 

[Hate2fly]

It'll be 2019 until enough East pilots leave to get to a 50/50 mix ( and I was too lazy to look up West retirements so I assumed zero leave ).

Freighterguynow,

The east new hires will always vote with the east pilots for the quick upgrade. They will be Captains in 5 years!

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[Black Swan]

I'll give you 10 to one odds that that day won't come. It'll end with a judge telling them to use the Nic and when all the appeals are over they'll still be muttering about "being robbed".

Jim

The most absurd part of all of this is the company filing for declaratory judgement from a lower court, when an appellate court has already made a ruling on the first lower court. This is an obvious stall tactic on the company side. How can Judge Silver rule on something that has already been passed to a higher level and DECIDED? She can't. She can only reference the 9th. It is that simple. And they said the Nic does not necessarily have to be the solution.

 

[Black Swan]

clear,

As of the end of year 2021 the west will have retired 507 and the east will have retired 2050.

Hate

Funny, that wasn't in that shiny pamphlet! 😀

 

[Bear96]

. . . . t is absolutely apparent you have no idea what went on with Wake, then the 9th, then the icing on the cake- Parker "THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS TO DECIDE........" . . . [Y]ou have to be pretty blind to not see what actually came down. Baptiste and Wilder. Dead On. I guarantee it. It is just a matter of time.

Wow, talk about grasping at straws.

You are right, some people here have no idea what is going on with these legal proceedings, and are blind about seeing what they actually mean (or don't mean).

But Boeing Boy is not one of those people. He summed it up pretty well in post # 1364:

"It'll end with a judge telling them to use the Nic and when all the appeals are over they'll still be muttering about 'being robbed'."

 

[nic4us]

The most absurd part of all of this is the company filing for declaratory judgement from a lower court, when an appellate court has already made a ruling on the first lower court. This is an obvious stall tactic on the company side. How can Judge Silver rule on something that has already been passed to a higher level and DECIDED? She can't. She can only reference the 9th. It is that simple. And they said the Nic does not necessarily have to be the solution.

Swan,

It was not decided, that is the problem. Further, the 9th did not say "the Nic does not necessarily have to be the solution". They said, "We leave usapa to bargain in good faith for all pilots, east and West.....yada yada yada....even if that ..yada yada..is not the Nicolau award".

What that paragraph is saying is that if usapa does not use the Nic, they had better come up with something that the West will not sue them over, and at very least their only defense if the West does sue is, it had better be both in good faith, and it had better have a legitimate union objective, otherwise, lose "unquestionably ripe DFR".

We all know why usapa was founded, why the C&BLs say what they say, why it is not in good faith, why it is not a legitimate union objective to promote the junior majority at the more senior minority's expense, etc. etc.. AOL still has usapa's smoking gun, and you will lose any future litigation.

We also know that AOL has informed both the company and usapa that if either touches the Nic, they will be sued. usapa does not care, the company however does, because they know along with the 9th, that usapa is going to lose, and lose very big.

Judge Silver may very well dismiss. Parker has already said the company would appeal. This may be far from over, but when it finally ends, it will be the Nic. That is why they call it binding arbitration. Since you like the Baptiste guys so much, just go ask them if they have ever heard of an arbitrated decision being tossed, without the consent of both parties. The West is not consenting, the Nic, unmodified, to its terms.

For the umpteenth time, you are not getting DOH, and yes I yada yada-ed the 9th circuits ridiculous ruling.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Wow, talk about grasping at straws.

You are right, some people here have no idea what is going on with these legal proceedings, and are blind about seeing what they actually mean (or don't mean).

But Boeing Boy is not one of those people. He summed it up pretty well in post # 1364:

"It'll end with a judge telling them to use the Nic and when all the appeals are over they'll still be muttering about 'being robbed'."

BEAR96, seems he missed the ole ADDINGTON mark now didn't he, but if I were you let him be your guide! I am sure you can follow him on every other forum on this website, maybe AOL should hire JIM! MM! Internal UNION DISPUTE!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Swan,

It was not decided, that is the problem. Further, the 9th did not say "the Nic does not necessarily have to be the solution". They said, "We leave usapa to bargain in good faith for all pilots, east and West.....yada yada yada....even if that ..yada yada..is not the Nicolau award".

What that paragraph is saying is that if usapa does not use the Nic, they had better come up with something that the West will not sue them over, and at very least their only defense if the West does sue is, it had better be both in good faith, and it had better have a legitimate union objective, otherwise, lose "unquestionably ripe DFR".

We all know why usapa was founded, why the C&BLs say what they say, why it is not in good faith, why it is not a legitimate union objective to promote the junior majority at the more senior minority's expense, etc. etc.. AOL still has usapa's smoking gun, and you will lose any future litigation.

We also know that AOL has informed both the company and usapa that if either touches the Nic, they will be sued. usapa does not care, the company however does, because they know along with the 9th, that usapa is going to lose, and lose very big.

Judge Silver may very well dismiss. Parker has already said the company would appeal. This may be far from over, but when it finally ends, it will be the Nic. That is why they call it binding arbitration. Since you like the Baptiste guys so much, just go ask them if they have ever heard of an arbitrated decision being tossed, without the consent of both parties. The West is not consenting, the Nic, unmodified, to its terms.

For the umpteenth time, you are not getting DOH, and yes I yada yada-ed the 9th circuits ridiculous ruling.

Can you say FRAGMENTATION! MM!

 

[nic4us]

Face it, you are flying 24% of your block hours on someone else's routes.

Face it, if you were furloughed at the time of the merger, you are flying 100% of someone else's job.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Freighterguynow,

The east new hires will always vote with the east pilots for the quick upgrade. They will be Captains in 5 years!

Hate

I suspect the vote will go as you say, after all, who would vote 'yes' to 1700 pilots coming in on top of you?

 

[Hate2fly]

Swan,

It was not decided, that is the problem. Further, the 9th did not say "the Nic does not necessarily have to be the solution". They said, "We leave usapa to bargain in good faith for all pilots, east and West.....yada yada yada....even if that ..yada yada..is not the Nicolau award".

What that paragraph is saying is that if usapa does not use the Nic, they had better come up with something that the West will not sue them over, and at very least their only defense if the West does sue is, it had better be both in good faith, and it had better have a legitimate union objective, otherwise, lose "unquestionably ripe DFR".

We all know why usapa was founded, why the C&BLs say what they say, why it is not in good faith, why it is not a legitimate union objective to promote the junior majority at the more senior minority's expense, etc. etc.. AOL still has usapa's smoking gun, and you will lose any future litigation.

We also know that AOL has informed both the company and usapa that if either touches the Nic, they will be sued. usapa does not care, the company however does, because they know along with the 9th, that usapa is going to lose, and lose very big.

Judge Silver may very well dismiss. Parker has already said the company would appeal. This may be far from over, but when it finally ends, it will be the Nic. That is why they call it binding arbitration. Since you like the Baptiste guys so much, just go ask them if they have ever heard of an arbitrated decision being tossed, without the consent of both parties. The West is not consenting, the Nic, unmodified, to its terms.

For the umpteenth time, you are not getting DOH, and yes I yada yada-ed the 9th circuits ridiculous ruling.

nic4,

Did it ever occur to you that we in the east were not born yesterday? Your daddy federal judges and their friends couldn't pull it off for you guys. They took you as far as they could. They got spanked by the 9th! Nice honest and trustworthy right wing federal judges? Western Law?

They should have been educated at University of Pennsylvania. Too bad!

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