US Pilots Labor Discussion

[USCREW]

Gotta say, you get my nomination for the best avatar!

hehe, come fly the friendly thighs...

 

[BoeingBoy]

Does someone have the EAST vs WEST age 65 retirement numbers past 2014? since AOL did not want to share them! MM!

You talk about the "attrition train" - wht don't you give everyone else the info...

Jim

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

You are definitely entitled to "your" opinion. You are however not entitled to your "own" facts. When both sides can finally get to the point to "Agree to Disagree" and then logically move forward - for the best of the overall group - all this banter is moot. Regardless, have a good weekend. I just got off DAL flight to SAT and plan on doing so big time.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Youre way off there buddy!!! You see I was a sitting rep at the time so I know where we were in terms of presenting to the pilots a contract. YOUR EAST reps hosed you again and wouldn't allow it. THE EAST, they did have JNC members that aided in putting together the proposal that you should have seen but didnt and yes it was weeks away!!

AWA320

You should watch you some crew news "BUDDY", the one where SK tells you to stop putting words in his mouth, about your so call"Close Out Session" and the dual ratification thing. "DUAL" ratification, never would have happend, Dream on! You've been watching to many "Alice in Wonderland" reruns! But if you have the retirement EAST vs WEST past 2014 would luv to see them, really check out crew news!MM!

 

[cleardirect]

Your Wests pilots brochure, sent to all the East pilots, after obtaining their addresses illegally from company sources.

America West pilots brochure.

Has there been a trial? An investigation? Any determination of facts yet? NOPE!!! Once again east pilots making up reality to fit your twisted little minds.

No evidence that the addresses came from the company. I guess you guys should sue the federal government. All of of addresses are public record.
Nothing illegal about sending fliers to a mailbox.

As someone said. Where is the harm or damage to usapa? Is it now illegal is usapaia to be told the truth. Sorry I guess it has always been illegal to be told the truth.

usapa has you guys chasing ghosts. Instead of being concerned about why usapa does not have a contract they get you all whipped up on a wild goose chase over addresses and you gladly follow.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

You talk about the "attrition train" - wht don't you give everyone else the info...

Jim

Happy holiday to you too JIM! MM! Well AOL failed to give those FACTS in their brochure, now why would they only go ahead 3 years and JIM that was the same question I had, thanx for bringing it to our attention! MM!

 

[sumadarson]

Some America West Pilots have read the writing on the (9th circuit) wall. Take for instance the following pilot who was hired in 2004 and almost went above a pilot, never furloughed, that was hired in 1988.

His diversification after the desertification, should be a lesson to all on the West, he took the monkey off his back and put a bag on it.

West pilot

 

[malikie]

So now you want to name the airline MESA GRANDE ? MM!

It would be a hell of a lot better than the old tired pathetic name US Airways that we are saddled with.

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

Don't be a hater. We could be...... Unified. Sorry I have been drinking.... Guess we all are not that different.

 

[sumadarson]

If you read the following transcripts and the eventual loss in court by the America West pilots attorneys, you will come to the the conclusion; the companies declaratory judgment will be dismissed and the West's legal counsel are amateurs in labor litigation.

Oral arguement that tried to end run the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decision.

 

[AWA320]

You should watch you some crew news "BUDDY", the one where SK tells you to stop putting words in his mouth, about your so call"Close Out Session" and the dual ratification thing. "DUAL" ratification, never would have happend, Dream on! You've been watching to many "Alice in Wonderland" reruns! But if you have the retirement EAST vs WEST past 2014 would luv to see them, really check out crew news!MM!

I think you really need to consider the source. You said "watch the crew news" but you seem to forget who those are for, where they are done and for whose benefit. The infomation coming out of a "COMPANY SPONSORED" publications and or video are for the benefit of you therefore the information should be taken with a grain of salt. When you hear Douglas speak in CLT the presentation is different when he comes home to PHX!! The only common theme is the companies lack of wanting to deal with this situation whereby you do to your own dismay. The planes leave on time everyday and management makes their money but where is yours??? I can answer that for you by simply stating that you are wasting time trying to continue NOT HONORING your agreements, You are spending time fighting me while at the very same time getting your pockets picked.

In the very end, DOH is not going to happen and not only will you have lost out on thousands in pay and benefits, you will have spent much of your own money fighting me because some third rate laywer told you he knows a way to get out of binding arbitrations. I ask that you take out the emotion and research the subject for yourself of just how many arbitrations have ever been overturned. LCC's lawyers know the answer to this and they also know what the outcome to their DJ case as well. They like the east MEC signed a transitions agreement, a contract if you will. They are hooked line and sinker!

AWA320

 

[AWA320]

Some America West Pilots have read the writing on the (9th circuit) wall. Take for instance the following pilot who was hired in 2004 and almost went above a pilot, never furloughed, that was hired in 1988.

His diversification after the desertification, should be a lesson to all on the West, he took the monkey off his back and put a bag on it.

West pilot

This is the part that just never seems to sink into those thick east heads. The east pilot hired in 1988 HAD THE SAME AMOUNT OF EAST PILOTS BELOW HIM ON THE EAST LIST THAT RON HAD BELOW HIM ON THE WEST LIST!!!!! THE SAME AMOUNT, THE SAME AMOUNT

There is going to come a point when you finally realize this and stop all this preaching and begging for super seniority!!! If you have 5 people below you on your stand alone you need to be place next the guy on the other side that has 5 below him. Thats relative seniority. You are begging for a redo and want to place a east junior first officer 1988 hire was a JR FO at the time of this merger and you know it next our senior captains ad in your world thats very fair right????? Just staple 96% of us to the damn bottom huh??

AWA320

 

[mikey60]

This is the part that just never seems to sink into those thick east heads. The east pilot hired in 1988 HAD THE SAME AMOUNT OF EAST PILOTS BELOW HIM ON THE EAST LIST THAT RON HAD BELOW HIM ON THE WEST LIST!!!!! THE SAME AMOUNT, THE SAME AMOUNT

There is going to come a point when you finally realize this and stop all this preaching and begging for super seniority!!! If you have 5 people below you on your stand alone you need to be place next the guy on the other side that has 5 below him. Thats relative seniority. You are begging for a redo and want to place a east junior first officer 1988 hire was a JR FO at the time of this merger and you know it next our senior captains ad in your world thats very fair right????? Just staple 96% of us to the damn bottom huh??

AWA320

Now that you understand my idea, problem solved.

 

[BoeingBoy]

There is going to come a point when you finally realize this and stop all this preaching and begging for super seniority!!!

I'll give you 10 to one odds that that day won't come. It'll end with a judge telling them to use the Nic and when all the appeals are over they'll still be muttering about "being robbed".

Jim

 

[sumadarson]

I'll give you 10 to one odds that that day won't come. It'll end with a judge telling them to use the Nic and when all the appeals are over they'll still be muttering about "being robbed".

Jim

The declaratory relief will be dismissed. It will be appealed by USAirways and lost due to published court findings.

The NMB will release the pilots for self help long before the appeal of the company is decided in USAPA's favor.

9th circuit court of appeals